Brexit discussion

Originally Posted by Mr K

If anything Mick it's the other way round, we're the ones in the slow lane, while the rest of the EU economies outpace us

No it is not, you are categorically incorrect.

The EU will not be able to survive in a unbalanced economic vacuum and this is exactly what it is. 28 Members, (soon to be 27 and that day cannot come any quicker) Of these Countries of which only 10, it will be 9 once we leave of them make a net contribution, it is unsustainable.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Careful now, that eye will start swivelling ! It does seem to have come as shock to some Brexiters that it's going to cost big time. It's wake up time to Project Reality, the fairy story is over.

Most of your story telling has been reasonably fictional, as already outlined.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

No it is not, you are categorically incorrect.

The EU will not be able to survive in a unbalanced economic vacuum and this is exactly what it is. 28 Members, (soon to be 27 and that day cannot come any quicker) Of these Countries of which only 10, it will be 9 once we leave of them make a net contribution, it is unsustainable.

I bow to your expert wisdom Mr Mick !

It is strange though, that we have almost totally met the EU cash demands, and to the timescale they gave us. Who is more desperate?
And why is our economy flatlining and theirs is steaming way ahead ? Have the markets/industry got it totally wrong ? (they rarely do).

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

If anything Mick it's the other way round, we're the ones in the slow lane, while the rest of the EU economies outpace us.

As usual you're completely wrong:

Britain is still the most prosperous major European country this year despite Brexit fears, it has been revealed.

The Legatum Institute’s annual survey of 149 nations put the UK above rivals Germany, France, Italy and Spain for economic and social wellbeing.

The UK also came 10th overall across the globe, unchanged from last year, despite grim projections for trouble in the years ahead - above even the US, with oil-rich Norway topping the survey.

We are also judged to be the fifth best in the world for having a good environment to do business in.

The Legatum Prosperity Index was drawn up from nine different measurements, from the economy and governance to health, education and the natural environment.

Source

But hey, let's not let some pesky facts get in the way of closed mind opinion.

[jonbxx]

That Sun link is a little misleading saying the UK is most prosperous country in Europe. Here are where we stand on that Index;

For the complete index;

Globally, we are 10th in the world
In Europe, we are 7th
In the EU, we are 5th

Comparing us to the rest of the EU, here's where we stand;

• Economic quality - 4th behind Sweden, Netherlands and Denmark
• Business environment - 1st - I guess this is why the Sun is saying what it did
• Governance - 6th behind Finland, Sweden, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Denmark
• Education - 3rd behind Netherlands and Finland
• Health - 10th behind Luxembourg, Austria, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Finland, Spain and France
• Safety and security - 10th behind Austria, Malta, Netherlands, Ireland, Luxembourg, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Germany
• Personal freedom - 12th behind Luxembourg, Ireland, Netherlands, Finland, Portugal, Belgium, Sweden, Malta, Denmark, Spain and Germany
• Social capital - 7th behind Denmark, Malta, Ireland, Netherlands, Finland and Austria
• Environment - 8th behind Slovenia, Finland, France, Latvia, Luxembourg, Estonia and Sweden

In 9 indicators, we lead in 1. Business environment measures a country’s entrepreneurial environment, its business infrastructure, barriers to innovation and labour market flexibility. This along with Economic quality are probably the two indicators that are most likely the be affected by Brexit.

I think The Sun may be cherry picking data there...

Edit - apologies, here's the data - http://www.prosperity.com/rankings

Originally Posted by jonbxx

That Sun link is a little misleading saying the UK is most prosperous country in Europe. Here are where we stand on that Index;

For the complete index;

Globally, we are 10th in the world
In Europe, we are 7th
In the EU, we are 5th

Comparing us to the rest of the EU, here's where we stand;

• Economic quality - 4th behind Sweden, Netherlands and Denmark
• Business environment - 1st - I guess this is why the Sun is saying what it did
• Governance - 6th behind Finland, Sweden, Netherlands, Luxembourg and Denmark
• Education - 3rd behind Netherlands and Finland
• Health - 10th behind Luxembourg, Austria, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Finland, Spain and France
• Safety and security - 10th behind Austria, Malta, Netherlands, Ireland, Luxembourg, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Germany
• Personal freedom - 12th behind Luxembourg, Ireland, Netherlands, Finland, Portugal, Belgium, Sweden, Malta, Denmark, Spain and Germany
• Social capital - 7th behind Denmark, Malta, Ireland, Netherlands, Finland and Austria
• Environment - 8th behind Slovenia, Finland, France, Latvia, Luxembourg, Estonia and Sweden

In 9 indicators, we lead in 1. Business environment measures a country’s entrepreneurial environment, its business infrastructure, barriers to innovation and labour market flexibility. This along with Economic quality are probably the two indicators that are most likely the be affected by Brexit.

I think The Sun may be cherry picking data there...

Edit - apologies, here's the data - http://www.prosperity.com/rankings

That's unlike them!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

As usual you're completely wrong:

Source

But hey, let's not let some pesky facts get in the way of closed mind opinion.

Since when did The Sun become a reliable source?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Since when did The Sun become a reliable source?

When it's hidden behind the word Source

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

When it's hidden behind the word Source

It makes it hard to have a debate when unreliable sources are used. Some people love the tabloids for confirmation bias. The broadsheets have their points of view but they do at least have commentators with different opinions and don't resort to the cherry-picking and use of disreputable "experts" as deployed by papers like The Sun.
They also contain lazy journalism. We saw that with the recent Mail story about the Oxford Street incident which mistook an accident happening on 14 November as part of the 24 November situation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0649480742255

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Since when did The Sun become a reliable source?

I think The Sun is a very reliable source of solar energy, radiating heat and generating lots of light during the day time... It is just a pity the UK has not had very much of it this year.

[TheDaddy]

Surprised no one has mentioned the net immigration figures released today, wonder why

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Surprised no one has mentioned the net immigration figures released today, wonder why

Yes as reported on BBC news so presumably has no credibility in these parts

BBC have only just released the figures today ?

They talked about net migration on Sky News yesterday..

It's come down but IMO it is still too high, 230,000 still coming here to a country with a severe housing shortage... Services stretched to the limit...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

BBC have only just released the figures today ?

They talked about net migration on Sky News yesterday..

It's come down but IMO it is still too high, 230,000 still coming here to a country with a severe housing shortage... Services stretched to the limit...

l agree it is to high but don't think for one moment that reducing this significantly will be the great panacea that ends all our ills as many of these problems stem from before there was a influx of migrants and those problems will still exist after Johnny Foreigner has long gone home.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

l agree it is to high but don't think for one moment that reducing this significantly will be the great panacea that ends all our ills as many of these problems stem from before there was a influx of migrants and those problems will still exist after Johnny Foreigner has long gone home.

I don't think you can deny that a significant net reduction in immigration figures will ease the burden on services and housing, Den. That is the point.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't think you can deny that a significant net reduction in immigration figures will ease the burden on services and housing, Den. That is the point.

l somehow doubt it as there are many other significant factors involved that stretch our services then just blaming everything on good old Johnny Foreigner OB.