Brexit discussion

Originally Posted by jonbxx

The fear mongering was just a suggestion, not to be taken literally

You mistake me for someone who does. I have never taken what some of the Remainers have said, literally and I never will.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

You mistake me for someone who does. I have never taken what some of the Remainers have said, literally and I never will.

Well, critical thinking, analysing information, producing hypotheses and being able to change opinions in light of new evidence are what raises us above the beasts and is a great thing.

I for one always try to get more than one source of evidence and try and avoid sources that are a) biased and b) unacceptable to some. So, for example, I always avoid quoting articles from The Guardian. I would also put The Independent, The Express, The Mail and Order Order in that bucket. There are usually elements of truth but the spin and cherry picking is clear. I would however quote sources from academia (London School of Economics as an example) or organisations that drive public policy (ONS and OECD for example)

[Gavin78]

It was annouced in the paper - Labour MP Angela Rayner celebrates being a grandmother at 37

Ok so **** happens and you can't help what sometimes happens with your kids but the article goes on.



Mrs Rayner has previously spoken about how being pregnant with her first child at the age of 16 "saved" her, at a time when she left school in Stockport, Greater Manchester, with no qualifications.

Earlier this year, the former care worker and trade union officer told an event at the Labour Party conference: "Even though getting pregnant at 16 and having no qualifications is not the best start for anybody, you've got to understand where my life was.

"It actually saved me from where I could have been because I had a little person to look after.

"I wanted to prove that I could be a good mum and somebody was finally going to love me as much as I deserved to be loved and that's what pregnancy was for me."

Mrs Rayner was elected to Parliament in 2015 and was promoted to Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet within little more than a year, following a string of resignations from Labour's frontbench in June 2016.

She is frequently touted as a possible future Labour leader.


Says it all really about Labour. Had a kid at 16, No qualifications and is tipped to be a future leader.

God help us all

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

It was annouced in the paper - Labour MP Angela Rayner celebrates being a grandmother at 37

Ok so **** happens and you can't help what sometimes happens with your kids but the article goes on.



Mrs Rayner has previously spoken about how being pregnant with her first child at the age of 16 "saved" her, at a time when she left school in Stockport, Greater Manchester, with no qualifications.

Earlier this year, the former care worker and trade union officer told an event at the Labour Party conference: "Even though getting pregnant at 16 and having no qualifications is not the best start for anybody, you've got to understand where my life was.

"It actually saved me from where I could have been because I had a little person to look after.

"I wanted to prove that I could be a good mum and somebody was finally going to love me as much as I deserved to be loved and that's what pregnancy was for me."

Mrs Rayner was elected to Parliament in 2015 and was promoted to Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet within little more than a year, following a string of resignations from Labour's frontbench in June 2016.

She is frequently touted as a possible future Labour leader.


Says it all really about Labour. Had a kid at 16, No qualifications and is tipped to be a future leader.

God help us all

No qualifications doesn't mean she's not up to the job. I didn't know there were any particular educational requirements for leaders of political parties. John Major did a correspondence course in banking - and he didn't do that badly for himself.


Cheers


Dave

[denphone]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

No qualifications doesn't mean she's not up to the job. I didn't know there were any particular educational requirements for leaders of political parties. John Major did a correspondence course in banking - and he didn't do that badly for himself.


Cheers


Dave

Young girls can get pregnant from all walks of life and are not consigned to one certain group of people.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

No qualifications doesn't mean she's not up to the job. I didn't know there were any particular educational requirements for leaders of political parties. John Major did a correspondence course in banking - and he didn't do that badly for himself.


Cheers


Dave

Because this is all about Labour party. No wonder the likes of DA can't get the numbers right, this is the reasons why the country went broke under the last labour and this is the reason why they spend spend spend and don't know how to invest.

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Says it all really about Labour. Had a kid at 16, No qualifications and is tipped to be a future leader.

I do not vote labour, and never will, but I dont really see the relevance of "had a kid at 16".

She seems a better choice than what they have atm.

Sounds like someone whose at least had a difference experience than the usual Eton > Oxbridge (PPE naturally) > Special Advisor > MP route.

[jonbxx]

Yeah, I think we had the discussion between education and intelligence a few pages back...

Its not really relevant to Brexit anyway, so back to the topic please.

[1andrew1]

So, 2030 for a trade deal with India and we must accept more immigrants from that country reports the Telegraph. Of course, everyone who voted leave knew this anyway.

Britain must accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal, Indian diplomat warns
Britain must accept higher levels of immigration from India if it hopes to sign a free trade agreement after Brexit, a senior Indian diplomat has warned, as he predicted it could take up to a decade to secure the deal.
YK Sinha, India’s High Commissioner to the UK, said "freer movement of people and professionals" had to form part of any future deal to ensure it was “mutually beneficial.”
Speaking to Indian business leaders in London, Mr Sinha said he was “very confident” that a “winning partnership” between the two countries would emerge after Britain's departure from the EU.
However, he also warned that signing a free trade agreement was “obviously not going to be easy” and suggested that the deal may not be complete until 2030.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-warns-senior/

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A sad loss, Glasgow and Liverpool really benefited from being European capitals of culture. Something else the Brexiters said we wouldn't lose out on but Brexit means Brexit as the country is learning.

EU blocks UK cities from European Capital of Culture bids after Brexit
European Union bosses have banned the UK from competing for the title of European Capital of Culture, even though five bids have already been launched.
Leeds, Nottingham, Milton Keynes and Dundee were all bidding for the 2023 prize, along with a joint bid from Belfast and Derry.
But they have seen their hopes ended by the European Commission, which has ruled UK entries "will not be possible" due to the Brexit vote.

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-blocks...rexit-11140057

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

A sad loss, Glasgow and Liverpool really benefited from being European capitals of culture. Something else the Brexiters said we wouldn't lose out on but Brexit means Brexit as the country is learning.

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-blocks...rexit-11140057

We are not leaving Europe, and they are still European cities and they still will be after we leave the EU, there is no reason to block their entries other than the EU being a bunch of halfwits, yet again, this shows what a bunch of spoiled pillocks they are in the EU and thank goodness we are leaving! My vote to leave becomes ever validated, with every passing day, post referendum!!!!!!!!

It is a European Commission award but Istanbul have won it before on the bias they 'might' join the EU. Turkey is a long way from every being admitted into the EU so if they qualify on that criteria we should qualify as having been a member.

[Osem]

Oh dear, we'd better stay in the EU then as everyone we want to do a trade deal with will dictate their own terms and we'll have no say in the matter whatsoever.

Of course in the real world, trade negotiations are a 2 way street and both sides will have their initial objectives and the end result will be somewhere in the middle. If the EU had done that when Cameron called on them last year, there'd have been no Brexit but that's the EU for you. They demand flexibility and concessions but offer few if any. They're the ones who need to get real!

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Originally Posted by Mick

We are not leaving Europe, and they are still European cities and they still will be after we leave the EU, there is no reason to block their entries other than the EU being a bunch of halfwits, yet again, this shows what a bunch of spoiled pillocks they are in the EU and thank goodness we are leaving! My vote to leave becomes ever validated, with every passing day, post referendum!!!!!!!!

If the UK was behaving like this there's a good many remainers who'd be whining about how inflexible and arrogant we are...

How long before someone pops up telling us that the UK will be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest?...

That said it does appear the cities were warned this was possible: https://twitter.com/mattholehouse

The government seems to have given assurances to them that contradicted the EU's own advice about how likely it is that this would happen.