Brexit discussion

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I was wondering why Mr K was so quiet today.

Record numbers of EU workers in UK since Brexit

Number of EU workers in UK rises by 112,000 since Brexit vote

EU citizens: Record numbers working in UK - official figures

I thought they were supposed to be leaving in droves?

Are you watching British workers wanted, there experience is different, perhaps they're lying to make a show! Besides which imo one of the benefits of leaving is that they do leave in droves, what was the point of all this is nothing changes dramatically

Originally Posted by Mick

What absolute bollocks.

Putin did not influence my vote or anyone else’s in the UK FFS. It’s another crappy excuse for the lefties and liberals to blame the loss on something. It’s pathetic desperation.

And let's be honest if the Americans and ourselves had stuck to sending out some emails to influence elections there might not only be a few more people alive in the world it'd mean we could occupy the moral high ground to

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The only people who dispute this are - unsurprisingly - Putin's posters. I'm sure his troll farms posted on both sides of the debate.
A patriot like me - who loves his country despite the turmoil at the moment -wants to heal the wounds.
And I say once again to Mick - who I'm sure is a fellow patriotic Brit who would share a few beers with me in other circumstances - let's not fall for Putin's tricks and let's put the great into Britain.

The great in Britain is short for greater Brittany which is the last thing we want to be doing

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The great in Britain is short for greater Brittany which is the last thing we want to be doing

Fortunately, everything I've read suggests that's an urban myth. Rightly or wrongly, Wikipedia notes "The Greco-Egyptian scientist Ptolemy referred to the larger island as great Britain (μεγάλη Βρεττανία megale Brettania) and to Ireland as little Britain (μικρὰ Βρεττανία mikra Brettania) in his work Almagest (147–148 AD).

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Fortunately, everything I've read suggests that's an urban myth. Rightly or wrongly, Wikipedia notes "The Greco-Egyptian scientist Ptolemy referred to the larger island as well Britain (μεγάλη Βρεττανία megale Brettania) and to Ireland as little Britain (μικρὰ Βρεττανία mikra Brettania) in his work Almagest (147–148 AD).

Not massively fussed tbh but I suspect it goes back to the Celts and their six main territories

[1andrew1]

No real surprise here. Despite the protestations of Liam Fox et al, the EU has consistently said there will be no a la carte deal for the UK.

Barnier dashes Britain’s trade hopes
According to framework documents from EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier seen by POLITICO, London’s insistence on quitting the single market and customs union means that a basic EU-Canada-style deal is the only option.
Sliding back onto a Canada-style trading relationship would be a big failure for May, who has acknowledged that the Brussels-Ottawa arrangement is greatly inferior to Britain’s current position in the EU’s single market.
In her Florence speech in September, May said: “Compared with what exists between Britain and the EU today, [a Canada-style arrangement] would nevertheless represent such a restriction on our mutual market access that it would benefit neither of our economies.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...n-canada-deal/

But the document, said by Politico to have been provided to Mr Barnier for a “preparatory discussion” on the “framework for the future relationship”, suggests London will struggle to achieve its aim of tariff-free and frictionless trade with the bloc.
It states that the UK’s rejection of the European Court of Justice and issues around “regulatory autonomy” mean it will not be “compatible” as a close trade partner.
The document also suggests London’s status as a financial centre could be further at risk, as it rules out “direct branching in sectors like financial services”, Politico reported.
The document adds that the future deal would see only “limited EU commitments to allow cross-border provision of services”.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...n-canada-deal/

[1andrew1]

Appears the successful attempt to "take back sovereignty" may have been illegally funded.

Vote Leave and Veterans for Britain investigated over EU referendum spending
The Electoral Commission has launched an investigation into two Brexit campaigns over their spending on the EU referendum in 2016.
The elections watchdog said there were "reasonable grounds to suspect an offence may have been committed".
It announced the probe would focus on Vote Leave Limited, Veterans for Britain and Darren Grimes, founder of the group BeLeave.
Despite assessments in February and March 2017 that resulted in no further action, the Commission revealed that "new information has come to light".
Bob Posner, the watchdog's director of political finance and regulation, claimed there were "legitimate questions" over Vote Leave, given it was designated the official 'Leave' campaign and entitled to spend more money.

https://news.sky.com/story/vote-leav...nding-11136068

[pip08456]

It won't change the vote Andrew.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

It won't change the vote Andrew.

And nor should it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

It won't change the vote Andrew.

I doubt that's entered anyone's head, Pip.
But it's a bit like a drug-cheating athlete.
It doesn't look good.

Perhaps if we acknowledge it happens, we can try and prevent it happening again.

Remember, these things can be used against you as well as for you.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Perhaps if we acknowledge it happens, we can try and prevent it happening again.

No chance for it to happen again if the vote is unchangeable and affects generations to come.

See our Brexit bill has doubled and it still probably won't be enough..... Still as long as we've got our bankrupt country back
http://uk.businessinsider.com/theres...illion-2017-11

Originally Posted by Mr K

No chance for it to happen again if the vote is unchangeable and affects generations to come.

See our Brexit bill has doubled and it still probably won't be enough..... Still as long as we've got our bankrupt country back
http://uk.businessinsider.com/theres...illion-2017-11

Using Information Warfare can happen at General Elections as well...

It’s about disruption and disturbance, making the country more disunited, thus weaker.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s about disruption and disturbance, making the country more disunited, thus weaker.

Well Putin has certainly successfully done that both here and in the US. Fair play to Theresa, she did have a bit of a go at them last week, but we're an amusing irrelevance these days. I blame Dave trying to save his own skin for the mess we're in.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Using Information Warfare can happen at General Elections as well...

It’s about disruption and disturbance, making the country more disunited, thus weaker.

Exactly and Russia don't care about sides either. It's not unfeasible that they'll start working try to boost the Remain side at the most possible time for the Government. This is a wider threat that any one vote.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Exactly and Russia don't care about sides either. It's not unfeasible that they'll start working try to boost the Remain side at the most possible time for the Government. This is a wider threat that any one vote.

Russians are masters of chess...