Brexit discussion - Page 45

Mr K · 10-11-2017, 16:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

And another bombshell from the Brit himself who wrote Article 50. It can be stopped or paused.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3687256.html

Well that's nice.

Realistically the only way it would be stopped is another referendum, although no one is offering that at the moment (apart from the irrelevant Lib Dems). I could see that happening, particularly if there's a change of govt., and the deal we get offered is not so brilliant after all. It would give the politicians a get out, and saving face and votes is all they care about. The evangelical Brexiters won't be happy, not that they ever are, even when they 'win'.

**Mick** · 10-11-2017, 16:11

Another referendum, gee, that's the solution because some weren't happy with the first and if there was another, which there should not be, one is enough and remainers lose again, will you demand another and why stop at two ?

Lets have a third if the second does not go your way because this is the new 'democracy', we keep going until the minority get what they want.

Mr K · 10-11-2017, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Mick

Another referendum, gee, that's the solution because some weren't happy with the first and if there was another, which there should not be, one is enough and remainers lose again, will you demand another and why stop at two ?

Lets have a third if the second does not go your way because this is the new 'democracy', we keep going until the minority get what they want.

I didn't Mick, just suggesting the politicians might; they are incapable of making decision these days. The beauty of a referendum is that the public can blame no one except themselves.

1andrew1 · 10-11-2017, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well that's nice.

Realistically the only way it would be stopped is another referendum, although no one is offering that at the moment (apart from the irrelevant Lib Dems). I could see that happening, particularly if there's a change of govt., and the deal we get offered is not so brilliant after all. It would give the politicians a get out, and saving face and votes is all they care about. The evangelical Brexiters won't be happy, not that they ever are, even when they 'win'.

I think you're right Mr K, it could be a get-out clause if it all goes pear-shaped.
If the facts change then so should the Government's decisions. We won't know the facts for some time ie the deal. For example, the facts have altered on diesel cars and the Government appears to be responding accordingly.

denphone · 10-11-2017, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Mick

Another referendum, gee, that's the solution because some weren't happy with the first and if there was another, which there should not be, one is enough and remainers lose again, will you demand another and why stop at two ?

Lets have a third if the second does not go your way because this is the new 'democracy', we keep going until the minority get what they want.

One referendum is enough in a democracy that is for sure as ever since then it has been dysfunctional chaos of the highest degree with no sign of HMG ever having a nous and where for all of ever coming to a reasonable deal for this country in the Brexit talks..

1andrew1 · 10-11-2017, 17:12

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Originally Posted by denphone

One referendum is enough in a democracy that is for sure as ever since then it has been dysfunctional chaos of the highest degree with no sign of HMG ever having a nous and where for all of ever coming to a reasonable deal for this country in the Brexit talks..

It's certainly the coalition of chaos, Den. The only certainty is uncertainty! Interesting unless you live and work here!

OLD BOY · 10-11-2017, 18:51

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

And another bombshell from the Brit himself who wrote Article 50. It can be stopped or paused.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3687256.html

It's a bit irrelevant since both major political parties are committed to Brexit and have been elected on manifestos to achieve just that.

I cannot believe that some in this country still think that Brexit may be reversed by constant sniping. The majority do not want to reverse the referendum decision anyway, so they should save their energy.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's certainly the coalition of chaos, Den. The only certainty is uncertainty! Interesting unless you live and work here!

Although nowhere near as chaotic as Corbyn's lot, it has to be said.

Osem · 10-11-2017, 18:53

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It's a bit irrelevant since both major political parties are committed to Brexit and have been elected on manifestos to achieve just that.

I cannot believe that some in this country still think that Brexit may be reversed by constant sniping. The majority do not want to reverse the referendum decision anyway, so they should save their energy.

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Although nowhere near as chaotic as Corbyn's lot, it has to be said.

Correct again. Some people just won't accept the result of the referendum because it wasn't the outcome they wanted. We all know it.

1andrew1 · 10-11-2017, 18:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Although nowhere near as chaotic as Corbyn's lot, it has to be said.

Pretty much in the same uber low league. I think Corbyn has lost marginally fewer people through the recent scandals though.

jonbxx · 10-11-2017, 20:18

Another referendum would be a third one of course as we had one in 1975.

I have been reading this today about aviation post Brexit - https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...exit-explained No wonder Michael O’Leary is making a lot of noise!

**Mick** · 10-11-2017, 20:38

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Another referendum would be a third one of course as we had one in 1975.

I have been reading this today about aviation post Brexit - https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...exit-explained No wonder Michael O’Leary is making a lot of noise!

Crucial differences, 1975 was 42 years ago, and it was vastly different to what it is now.

Osem · 10-11-2017, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Mick

Crucial differences, 1975 was 42 years ago, and it was vastly different to what it is now.

... and what it'll be in a few years.

Anyway for those who want to harp on about the EEC referendum we can have a second referendum on Brexit in 42 years when we've had the same chance to see how things have worked out. Can't say fairer than that.

jonbxx · 10-11-2017, 21:41

Seems fair. Allow we allowed to complain for the next 42 years too like anti-EU people did until last year?

**Mick** · 10-11-2017, 22:18

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Seems fair. Allow we allowed to complain for the next 42 years too like anti-EU people did until last year?

I can assure you, I have not spent the last 40+ years complaining of the EU, maybe the last 5-10.

Mr K · 10-11-2017, 22:19

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Seems fair. Allow we allowed to complain for the next 42 years too like anti-EU people did until last year?

It'll be the Brexiters whinging for 42 years about not getting the type of Brexit they wanted. i.e. the one where everyone lives happily ever after. It'll be the fault of May/Corbyn/Remoaners/immigrants, take your pick from that days edition of the Daily Fail !