Brexit discussion

[Gavin78]

It's easier as well to employ from abroad already trained and can start at the bottom pay scale plus the loans handed out from the government are far less as training doesn't need to be given.

I've also noticed in the NHS that because of an increase in immigration those needing treatment that can't speak much english rather than spend 50k in just over 45 days like leeds teaching hospitals did on translation costs they are employing staff (CSW) on low rates of pay that can speak certain languages cost effective but then you sometimes have a problem with said staff understanding english properly.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

It's easier as well to employ from abroad already trained and can start at the bottom pay scale plus the loans handed out from the government are far less as training doesn't need to be given

There’s the rub - it takes years to get a doctor or nurse to be trained and qualified so if you want ready made medical staff today, we need to hire them from elsewhere. A 5 year election cycle is frankly too short for long term plans like training medical staff. This crisis in reality started 5-10 years ago, not now. We are just reaping the effects now.

[1andrew1]

The workaround to this seems to be introducing a seasonal workers' scheme. The Government should be doing things like this to try and reduce the burden of Brexit but I guess it has other things on its hands.

Migrant labour shortage leaves fruit rotting on UK farms
Fruit and vegetables are being left to rot on British farms because of a shortage of labour, according to the National Farmers’ Union, which is calling on the government to implement a seasonal agricultural workers scheme to fix the problem...
The UK farming industry is heavily dependent on pickers from the EU — notably eastern Europe — for seasonal work. Low unemployment rates and the seasonal nature of farm work makes it difficult to attract domestic pickers, the sector argues.
At the same time, the UK has also become less attractive to seasonal workers mostly from Romania and Bulgaria because of the fall in the value of sterling against the euro since Britain voted last year in a referendum to leave the EU.
Minette Batters, deputy chair of the NFU, said the UK urgently needed to re-introduce a seasonal agriculture workers scheme similar to the one that existed between 1945 and 2013.

https://www.ft.com/content/13e183ee-...3-38a6e068f464

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The workaround to this seems to be introducing a seasonal workers' scheme. The Government should be doing things like this to try and reduce the burden of Brexit but I guess it has other things on its hands.

https://www.ft.com/content/13e183ee-...3-38a6e068f464

Quite but sadly this government would have problems organising a piss up in a brewery sadly.

[Gavin78]

Maybe we could look to those unemployed then? they are all looking for work and for some 0 hour contracts are ok and for some others it isn't. So perhaps they could pay them the dole money but also give on the job training at say £3.50hr additional income (seasonal workers) recruited from the job centre with the potential some might gain employment or at least further training and if needed a reference?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Maybe we could look to those unemployed then? they are all looking for work and for some 0 hour contracts are ok and for some others it isn't. So perhaps they could pay them the dole money but also give on the job training at say £3.50hr additional income (seasonal workers) recruited from the job centre with the potential some might gain employment or at least further training and if needed a reference?

Who needs training to pick fruit? I don't blame the unemployed for not wanting to do it. The whole point of migrant workers is that we don't have to do the crap jobs and instead do the next tier up jobs instead, that doesn't apply to the life long shirkers obviously, how much fruit would they pick if we made them anyway

[jonbxx]

So basically the old YTS scheme then? If we could replace the immigrant labour in the fields with British unemployed coerced in to it, I would bet good money the productivity would be less. It’s the same argument against national service.

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Maybe we could look to those unemployed then? they are all looking for work and for some 0 hour contracts are ok and for some others it isn't. So perhaps they could pay them the dole money but also give on the job training at say £3.50hr additional income (seasonal workers) recruited from the job centre with the potential some might gain employment or at least further training and if needed a reference?

Before I joined the RAF (and when I went to school in Norfolk), I picked fruit in the summer (potatoes, apples, strawberries) - it was seen as a reasonable (if hard work) temporary job in the summer holidays.

I did it in Norfolk and Lincolnshire.

When I was 14 years of age, which was several decades ago, I picked and packed fruit every Saturday. Had to be up and at the Markets by 5am and I worked through to 6pm, all for £11 for the day. Part of my role was packing potatoes in to 5 Ib bags, some weeks this is all I did.

[Gavin78]

Well I'm not sure how they would cover it. Perhaps they could do it monitored so much work per man hours again this could reflect amounts paid or not paid dependant on the situation.

If someone is not willing to work then stop their benefits. I don't think of it as slave labour I look at it as a means to an opportunity. There is the great unwashed in society that just won't work not everyone it could be if you have been umemployed for 12 months or longer. It's better than sending people on C.V training courses 20 times and do their maths and english tests 20 times it all costs money to do that.

Some people feel worthless while unemployed and can't get a job this will give them some hope and looks good to future employers

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Who needs training to pick fruit? I don't blame the unemployed for not wanting to do it. The whole point of migrant workers is that we don't have to do the crap jobs and instead do the next tier up jobs instead, that doesn't apply to the life long shirkers obviously, how much fruit would they pick if we made them anyway

That comment alone just proves my point about people in this country, they think being British is a skill on it's own merit and they all want to be a cheif. it's about time we started turning that around.

Picking fruit might not be a top paid, skilled job earning 20k+ a year but it's a means to an end when there is a large population unemployed looking for work and this a way to do that british pride or not

[1andrew1]

Not really suprised by this. From Russia with love?

Arron Banks, bankroller of Brexit, faces investigation over his donations

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not really suprised by this. From Russia with love?

Arron Banks, bankroller of Brexit, faces investigation over his donations

Not really surprised at your one sided views as always.

Meanwhile, who funded the leaflet telling us all not to vote leave, I think it was £9 Million ?

Ahh, yes, that would be the government spending Tax payers money, influencing us how to vote. If anything, this should be investigated.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Not really surprised at your one sided views as always.

Meanwhile, who funded the leaflet telling us all not to vote leave, I think it was £9 Million ?

Ahh, yes, that would be the government spending Tax payers money, influencing us how to vote. If anything, this should be investigated.

Any reason why you prefer the Russian government to fund information on Brexit rather than the British government?

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Any reason why you prefer the Russian government to fund information on Brexit rather than the British government?

Mick didn't say he did. No-one has said they did.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Mick didn't say he did. No-one has said they did.

Correct.

I think the story is complete bollocks anyway and is another cop out, a scapegoat for the remainers to blame 'something' the fact, their side lost, in a fair and square referendum process.