Brexit discussion

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The obvious deduction from the two news items is that the closer the deal with the EU, the more prosperous the country will be.

Look Andrew Brexit is happening whether one likes it or not although suffice to say thus so far the governments approach to it has been nothing short of shambolic in the extreme and sadly l am not filled with confidence of it improving any time soon.

[Osem]

Who'd have thought...

In 2016 the OECD received €44,752,859 (£36,066,329.07) from the European Commission

https://order-order.com/2017/10/17/o...#disqus_thread

Nice 'work' if you can get it eh? I'm sure that's irrelevant though...

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Who'd have thought...



https://order-order.com/2017/10/17/o...#disqus_thread

Nice 'work' if you can get it eh? I'm sure that's irrelevant though...

He who pays the piper...

[Osem]

No, I'm certain we're just being bitter. If you have a look at some of their previous forecasts it's evident just how reliable they were...

https://order-order.com/2017/10/17/a...ous-forecasts/

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Look Andrew Brexit is happening whether one likes it or not although suffice to say thus so far the governments approach to it has been nothing short of shambolic in the extreme and sadly l am not filled with confidence of it improving any time soon.

I've not said it's not happening.

The Government's main negotiations are internal, negotiating with the EU is the easy part, at least it has published its demands.

OK, well Boris published his four red lines in The Sun but then a couple of days later he caved in.

Maybe a good job he's not at the negotiating table or we would probably have joined the Euro and European Army by now!

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've not said it's not happening.

The Government's main negotiations are internal, negotiating with the EU is the easy part, at least it has published its demands.

OK, well Boris published his four red lines in The Sun but then a couple of days later he caved in.

Maybe a good job he's not at the negotiating table or we would probably have joined the Euro and European Army by now!

Could you tell me how much the EU is demanding as the divorce bill please?

I've seen several amounts bandied about from £25B-£75B but no set amount.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Could you tell me how much the EU is demanding as the divorce bill please?

I've seen several amounts bandied about from £25B-£75B but no set amount.

The EU's negotiating documents are all in the public domain, I don't have any insights that you don't have in this respect.
How much will a hard Brexit cost this country? I've heard anything from 10% to 30% of GDP mentioned whilst EU membership costs us 0.3% of GDP.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The EU's negotiating documents are all in the public domain, I don't have any insights that you don't have in this respect.
How much will a hard Brexit cost this country? I've heard anything from 10% to 30% of GDP mentioned whilst EU membership costs us 0.3% of GDP.

Ah, so it hasn't published it's demands just it's negotiating documents. They are two entirely different things.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Spot on. Spouting something so controversial without evidence is pointless.
Until recently the great hope was a trade deal with the US. Now that the reality of the US's approach to trade has become apparent I've seen nothing else to go on bar a wing and a prayer.

Evidence of what there is 41 publications I'm not about to read through all of them and I already knew about them.

So we stay in the EU and go down the Federal state path followed by the EU making it law that our currency change to Euros because to be in the club we have to be part of the club in the end.

Germany and France are at the top of the table when it comes to how things are run despite all the other countries. Take Greece as an example.

Proof as well when it comes to leaving you are bullied by those very same people that want world peace. They are trying hard to make it difficult as a warning to any others that step out of place.

If you are happy to be part of that so be it. I don't and no amount of white washing will change my mind.

I'm still waiting for WW3 btw

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Economic reality I'm afraid.

Like hell it is. It’s fear mongering BS of pure fantasy proportions.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mick

Like hell it is. It’s fear mongering BS of pure fantasy proportions.

Why are these reports 'BS'. Are there flaws in the methodology or are the treasury, companies like PWC, organisations like OECD and IMF and academic institutions like London School of Economics lying? This is a huge conspiracy either way and I am surprised the press isn't all over it to be honest.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

Like hell it is. It’s fear mongering BS of pure fantasy proportions.

Project fear # 2 has begun. This time to make us overturn the referendum result. These people will never stop, we've seen it all before. Ask the question, get the wrong result and keep asking it until you get the result you want.

The pro-EU brigade keep pitching up quoting one load of BS or another to support their case in arguing it's better for the UK to be within the EU when they have nothing to say about the future within that EU on its march towards homogenisation at the hands of the Brussels Eurocrats. They have nothing to say about any of the fundamental problems the EU is facing because to admit them would be to destroy their own argument. To remain in the EU will mean adopting the Euro and accepting life within a single European state made of dominoes. What bit of that don't these people get and why would they want to accept it?

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

Evidence of what there is 41 publications I'm not about to read through all of them and I already knew about them.

So we stay in the EU and go down the Federal state path followed by the EU making it law that our currency change to Euros because to be in the club we have to be part of the club in the end.

Germany and France are at the top of the table when it comes to how things are run despite all the other countries. Take Greece as an example.

Proof as well when it comes to leaving you are bullied by those very same people that want world peace. They are trying hard to make it difficult as a warning to any others that step out of place.

If you are happy to be part of that so be it. I don't and no amount of white washing will change my mind.

I'm still waiting for WW3 btw

Correct.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Osem

Project fear # 2 has begun. This time to make us overturn the referendum result. These people will never stop, we've seen it all before. Ask the question, get the wrong result and keep asking it until you get the result you want.

The pro-EU brigade keep pitching up quoting one load of BS or another to support their case in arguing it's better for the UK to be within the EU when they have nothing to say about the future within that EU on its march towards homogenisation at the hands of the Brussels Eurocrats. They have nothing to say about any of the fundamental problems the EU is facing because to admit them would be to destroy their own argument. To remain in the EU will mean adopting the Euro and accepting life within a single European state made of dominoes. What bit of that don't these people get and why would they want to accept it?

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Correct.

Then fight 'fear' with facts. If most predictions suggest that Brexit is destructive to the UK economy but these predictions are 'BS' as you and another forummer say, then show why they are wrong. As I said earlier, if there is evidence of flawed methodology or the studies are lies, then surely it would be good for everyone to expose this to the world. It would help stabilise our economy and persuade companies to stay in the UK.

I would like to see these secret treasury reports of sector by sector analysis. Hopefully these will be published soon.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Mick

Like hell it is. It’s fear mongering BS of pure fantasy proportions.

Understood.

I presume you'll be able to demonstrate why it's fear mongering BS?

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

I'm still waiting for WW3 btw

You'd need to ask Boris Johnson about that. He's the one who mentioned it.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

I would like to see these secret treasury reports of sector by sector analysis. Hopefully these will be published soon.

I suspect if they say what people don't want to hear they'll find some way to dismiss them, that's of course if they are released. It's obvious why they haven't been thusfar.

Some people appear incapable of even entertaining the possibility that they may have this wrong. It's tough to claim to be able to seriously debate anything or to be able to assess things with any kind of impartiality when you've already used absolutes.

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

Evidence of what there is 41 publications I'm not about to read through all of them and I already knew about them.

So we stay in the EU and go down the Federal state path followed by the EU making it law that our currency change to Euros because to be in the club we have to be part of the club in the end.

You already knew about them, haven't read them, don't know what they actually say but they are wrong because they don't say what you want them to it seems.

The second paragraph is impossible, as you'd know if you had any idea what you were talking about. It would require treaty change, which means a unanimous vote among EU members, and such a treaty change would trigger a referendum in the UK.

Again - facts. Pfft.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Osem

Project fear # 2 has begun. This time to make us overturn the referendum result. These people will never stop, we've seen it all before. Ask the question, get the wrong result and keep asking it until you get the result you want.

The pro-EU brigade keep pitching up quoting one load of BS or another to support their case in arguing it's better for the UK to be within the EU when they have nothing to say about the future within that EU on its march towards homogenisation at the hands of the Brussels Eurocrats. They have nothing to say about any of the fundamental problems the EU is facing because to admit them would be to destroy their own argument. To remain in the EU will mean adopting the Euro and accepting life within a single European state made of dominoes. What bit of that don't these people get and why would they want to accept it?

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Correct.

This is true, just look at all these other countries that are outside the EU they seem to be doing ok?

We have allowed the likes of Germany and France to totally take over, there is talk about how the UK has it's own laws and only a small percentage is EU related "pro-remainer" point of view.

In reality we have screwed up we have allowed other nations "mainly two" to get a grip around the throat of the UK we can't even take a crap without permission these days. If the laws relating to the EU and trade were so small then why is it taking so long?

I saw an article a while ago that stated "David Cameron" EU laws are only 14% over the UK while "Nigel Farage" said actually it's about 75%

So there you have it the EU has got that much of a grip over the UK they don't even know what is UK law and what is EU law.

Any law changes in the UK have to be approved with the EU that make sure it doesn't affect them. This is also proven with trade you trade with the EU or you trade with the world it's one or the other.

This is just trade, we haven't even scratched the surface on anything else EU related. They want to go down the Federal state route but why is this never mentioned by remainers?

Just look at the October EU summit of the 27 nations they were told not to talk about Brexit or meet about it till December now. By who Germany and France?.

I'm not falling for all The bullying coming from Europe because all this scare mongering crap is back handers to those behind closed doors to instill fear to the UK public and businesses.