Government & Post Election Discussion

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Everyone feeling the strength and stability?

When David Davis is next at the EU table, which direction will he be looking in I wonder?

[richard s]

Toilet Door probably

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by ianch99

When David Davis is next at the EU table, which direction will he be looking in I wonder?

Straight down as he'll be bent over it.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

It's not going to be compulsory. I imagine part of the point is ensuring it's not an exceptional gesture but considered normal. The donor provides the organs after death, they've no further use for them. Cold as it may seem considering a body to be meat or spare parts once brain death is inevitable or has happened that is all the body is, a cadaver of organs and other flesh. Many religions adhere to this as well. Once the mind / soul is gone what's left is a shell. Most bodies are going in the oven at gas mark a lot or are going into a box and into the ground anyway.

Anyway I'll shush on that note, this is turning into something of a philosophy thing and my thoughts on these matters remain the same.

I'd prefer it always to be considered an exceptional gesture and hope it does become the norm at the same time.

I'm not convinced by Nigel's argument but agree with him completely about the education part

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenter...opt-out-donor/

Some Tories are asking for May to go: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41519601

Nonsense if you ask me. We're running out months to negotiate Brexit since we gave Article 50 before losing a month or two over the election and now the Tories are back to their power games.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Straight down as he'll be bent over it.

Ah! The Cameron position as the broom handle is deftly administered.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Ah! The Cameron position as the broom handle is deftly administered.

Meh Cameron did about as well as was feasible in the renegotiation he did and was given about as much as was possible.

Compared to how David Davis is doing he was a superhero, though that's what happens when you have at least some of the cards and aren't spending more time negotiating with your own party than the EU.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Some Tories are asking for May to go: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41519601

Maybe May should ask Corbyn what to do about all this insurrection within the ranks.

May needs to go, she is limping on like the bloody ‘difficult woman’, Ken Clark said she is. Cabinet Ministers like Amber Rudd, saying she is fully behind May, Rudd herself needs to be mindful she just scraped through her Constituency Election result, after several vote recounts.

The Tory Party is in disarray, The Cabinet is in disarray, the pretence that all is well here, is not fooling anyone.

[Ken W]

Originally Posted by Mick

May needs to go, she is limping on like the bloody ‘difficult woman’, Ken Clark said she is. Cabinet Ministers like Amber Rudd, saying she is fully behind May, Rudd herself needs to be mindful she just scraped through her Constituency Election result, after several vote recounts.

The Tory Party is in disarray, The Cabinet is in disarray, the pretence that all is well here, is not fooling anyone.

I agree but who would you suggest would replace her?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Ken W

I agree but who would you suggest would replace her?

a brexiter who will get us out fast , and clear the front bench of traitors

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Ken W

I agree but who would you suggest would replace her?

There really is an incredible dearth of talent available isn't there?

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The inescapable conclusion this morning:
Tories have been making enemies now for so long it seems they have forgotten how to make friends.

Blaming Remainers.
Blaming lawsuits.
Blaming citizens of nowhere.
Blaming plots in Brussels.
Blaming opposition parties to call election.

Something I do agree with Boris Johnson on, a good thing about the UK leaving the EU is that politicians may have to start owning their mistakes. Or they'll find other scapegoats, as he usually does.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

a brexiter who will get us out fast , and clear the front bench of traitors

Amen to that.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

May needs to go, she is limping on like the bloody ‘difficult woman’, Ken Clark said she is. Cabinet Ministers like Amber Rudd, saying she is fully behind May, Rudd herself needs to be mindful she just scraped through her Constituency Election result, after several vote recounts.

The Tory Party is in disarray, The Cabinet is in disarray, the pretence that all is well here, is not fooling anyone.

Her election campaign and poor election result fatally wounded her IMO and it has been downhill all the way since..

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

a brexiter who will get us out fast , and clear the front bench of traitors

Any suggestions?.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by denphone

Any suggestions?.

Hmm.

Someone who will trash the UK's economy for the foreseeable and ensure the upper echelons of government are an echo chamber and propaganda machine.

Man of the people Jacob Rees-Mogg would I'm sure step up if he were convinced to run. John Redwood would likewise be happy to deny dissent and continue his habitual lying to the populace. Boris Johnson may not be extreme enough.

It's tricky. You need someone that's either a total sociopath or whose dislike for the European Union is so strong it is an obsession that allows them to defy all logic, reason and informed opinion.

Actually when I put it that way it's not tricky at all to find a Conservative that fits that bill. The only complicated part is finding someone that's either deluded enough to believe their own propaganda or callous enough to not care given it'd be their name attached to the consequences for time immemorial. I suspect that's the only reason at least some don't want the job, they know that politics runs on short cycles and they know that leaving the European Union on an ideological timetable rather than a pragmatic one would cause a lot of damage to many sectors of the economy and them become a pariah.

To be honest I reckon that's the only reason Theresa May is still in charge.