U.S President: Donald Trump

FFS Hugh, I know it really pisses you off, but Trump won the Presidency and he won a legitimate election, there has been NO evidence of Russian collusion, despite your silly meme and over a years worth of investigation after investigation. I could not give a crap if he tells lies, he is not the only political leader who ever has or ever will be. He won, she lost (and I will keep saying it, thank goodness!)

[Osem]

Originally Posted by pip08456

If you can get agreement from NK for them to enter the country.

I'm sure that'd be easy. KJU is clearly a rational leader who's open to dialogue and will be keen to listen to the likes of Bruce Kent and Caroline Lucas who speak such a lot of sense...

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

I'm sure that'd be easy. KJU is clearly a rational leader who's open to dialogue and will be keen to listen to the likes of Bruce Kent and Caroline Lucas...

Yes, send them over there with a sackful of leaflets for a campaign of peace and goodwill. With luck they'll be locked up for years.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

FFS Hugh, I know it really pisses you off, but Trump won the Presidency and he won a legitimate election, there has been NO evidence of Russian collusion, despite your silly meme and over a years worth of investigation after investigation. I could not give a crap if he tells lies, he is not the only political leader who ever has or ever will be. He won, she lost (and I will keep saying it, thank goodness!)

But 'evil' Clinton did get nearly 3 million more votes than he did - don't shoot the messenger just saying ! Says more about their crap electoral system (ours isn't much better).

There seems to be loads of evidence of Russian intervention, even Trump now reluctantly admits that, hence the sanctions.

Originally Posted by Mr K

But 'evil' Clinton did get nearly 3 million more votes than he did - don't shoot the messenger just saying ! Says more about their crap electoral system (ours isn't much better).

Trump won more States, which is what matters, I have explained this tired old argument many times over. Can't have the Presidency decided by California and New York. That's why Electoral college exists.

Originally Posted by Mr K

There seems to be loads of evidence of Russian intervention, even Trump now reluctantly admits that, hence the sanctions.

That's a slight twisting of the facts there Mr K, but that's nothing new.

Yes the FBI say there is evidence, would actually help if the FBI were able to access the DNC servers that were said to be compromised, but you would have to be a really dumb hacker to leave traces of origin laying around.

But while Russia is said to have hacked, the issue I'm on about is there is no evidence of collusion.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Yes, send them over there with a sackful of leaflets for a campaign of peace and goodwill. With luck they'll be locked up for years.

You saw straight through my plan...

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Trump won more States, which is what matters, I have explained this tired old argument many times over. Can't have the Presidency decided by California and New York. That's why Electoral college exists.

One person, one vote, it isn't a radical interpretation of democracy.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

It's just a distraction from the Russia issue.

Originally Posted by Hugh

But he lives near Chicago, in the Mid-West.

Originally Posted by Hugh

I'm asking you about Trump, but nice try at deflection...

You guys are on form today! Three hole-in-ones!

Originally Posted by Mr K

One person, one vote, it isn't a radical interpretation of democracy.

Just stick to mocking brexit, you clearly don't get the Geography of the U.S or just being deliberately obtuse.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You guys are on form today! Three hole-in-ones!

Way over par more like.

Originally Posted by Mick

FFS Hugh, I know it really pisses you off, but Trump won the Presidency and he won a legitimate election, there has been NO evidence of Russian collusion, despite your silly meme and over a years worth of investigation after investigation. I could not give a crap if he tells lies, he is not the only political leader who ever has or ever will be. He won, she lost (and I will keep saying it, thank goodness!)

He won the election - that's a matter of fact, and whilst I don't think he is able to do the job, he was elected under the system, and I accept the result - so your assertion is incorrect.

There is lots of evidence of Russian interference in the election (nice diversion by using collusion rather than interference) - the US Intelligence Community are of one voice in stating that there has been Russian interference.

About collusion - let's let the Special Counsel investigate that, shall we?

You still haven't answered my question - did Trump lie when he said the Nuclear Arsenal was far stronger and more powerful than ever before?

I have already give an opinion on what I thought of that tweet, looked like strategic posturing to me. It is true one of his first orders was to defense to undertake a NPR. But like I said, he distorted the facts to likely discourage Kimmy boy from doing something silly as a deterrent but along comes a pedantic liberal, whom has other plans.

Doesn't every incoming administration order a defence review? It's a running joke here that each government tears up what went before and orders another one.

I would rather Trump leave foreign policy to the state department rather than his Twitter feed. At the moment it's like a bar fight between Trump and Kim Jong-un where they keep goading each other into more and more hyperbolic statements. America would win a war against North Korea without Trump's tweets, unless Kim Jong-un really is completely gone he must have known this long before.

The danger is that Seoul is well within range of NK's conventional missiles and if North Korea went down they could take a lot of people with them. This is more important than Trump's ego and getting one over the liberals. Trump wanted this job, he should get to it rather than peacock around on the internet.

The worry is nothing can be done. It's not like Iran who were more receptive to the prospect of stopping their nuclear program.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I have already give an opinion on what I thought of that tweet, looked like strategic posturing to me. It is true one of his first orders was to defense to undertake a NPR. But like I said, he distorted the facts to likely discourage Kimmy boy from doing something silly as a deterrent but along comes a pedantic liberal, whom has other plans.

So, did Trump lie, yes or no? You're not a politician so can you give us a straightforward answer?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

One person, one vote, it isn't a radical interpretation of democracy.

Not in the U.K, the USA or for that matter many, if not most " democratic " states.

One man, one vote, very rarely delivers a majority government.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You still haven't answered my question - did Trump lie when he said the Nuclear Arsenal was far stronger and more powerful than ever before?

Not a black and white issue, question or subject. Also I don't how you know, or indeed expect Mick to know, the capability of the USA nuclear arsenal.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

So, did Trump lie, yes or no? You're not a politician so can you give us a straightforward answer?

Don't really think that Mick is on trial here.

Be sensible, if you can. I won't hold my breath.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not a black and white issue, question or subject. Also I don't how you know, or indeed expect Mick to know, the capability of the USA nuclear arsenal.

Hugh did expect the University Professor specialising in US nuclear weapons to know though. Also the logic of it being pretty difficult to greatly increase your nuclear arsenal in just six months.