Government & Post Election Discussion

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Yes the 80's in most of Northern England was one long fairytale with the Tories.

And a good chunk of the 90's wasn't much better.

Cheers

Dave

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

And a good chunk of the 90's wasn't much better.

Cheers

Dave

what was so bad ?

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

what was so bad ?

Unemployment?

Cheers

Dave

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Very Articulate, aren't you, on your own misgivings...

Cheers,

Mick.

Resorting to insults

You said:

Originally Posted by Mick

No party talked about reintroduction or supporting it. That wasn't what was said. Theresa May suggested MPs get a free vote in parliament to repeal the ban. Many in her party did not support such a move, hence no party supported it.

when the original 2017 Conservative Party Manifesto said:

“We will grant a free vote, on a government bill in government time, to give parliament the opportunity to decide the future of the Hunting Act,”

So it seems a party *did* talk about reintroduction after all ..

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Resorting to insults

You said:



when the original 2017 Conservative Party Manifesto said:



So it seems a party *did* talk about reintroduction after all ..

Theresa May is all for it even though she's supposedly never done it herself. Hence she wanted a vote on reintroduction. She wouldn't waste parliamentary time if she thought it would just reaffirm an existing law.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Theresa May is all for it even though she's supposedly never done it herself. Hence she wanted a vote on reintroduction. She wouldn't waste parliamentary time if she thought it would just reaffirm an existing law.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

and your eloquent point is .....

Originally Posted by ianch99

Resorting to insults

I see you are showing your, undue concern with triviality again.

I resorted to no such thing, so wag your finger all you want.

Originally Posted by ianch99

when the original 2017 Conservative Party Manifesto said:



So it seems a party *did* talk about reintroduction after all ..

Nope, never happened.

You are not telling me the entire Tory party discussed and decided on a vote to repeal of the hunting act, that's not how policies and decisions are decided upon, in a party Manifesto.

And no party can re-introduce something when it has to go to a repeal vote first AND crucially, need full party backing, which it did not have and so it was abandoned.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Resorting to insults

You said:

when the original 2017 Conservative Party Manifesto said:

So it seems a party *did* talk about reintroduction after all ..

To be fair, including it in a manifesto is "talking" about reintroduction as that's quite a loose phrase. Perhaps we can all harmoniously agree on this point and also agree that the government did not "promise" to reintroduce hunting?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

To be fair, including it in a manifesto is "talking" about reintroduction as that's quite a loose phrase. Perhaps we can all harmoniously agree on this point and also agree that the government did not "promise" to reintroduce hunting?

Agreed: the Tories talked about reintroduction in their party manifesto but of course it would be conditional on the free parliamentary vote.

A number of posts covering brexit have moved to the Brexit thread.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Agreed: the Tories talked about reintroduction in their party manifesto but of course it would be conditional on the free parliamentary vote.

Mick, are you able to agree with this statement?

[ntluser]

It's been said that Jeremy Corbyn is gearing up for the next election but how will young people vote now given that he told the media that he had a fully costed manifesto but did not realise how much it would cost to honour his pledge about cutting tuition fees.

Corbyn targetted the young because of their lack of voting experience and it seems to have paid off. Older voters appreciate that politicians cannot be trusted.

Having said that if the government had been better at offsetting the disadvantages created by high immigration in areas like Boston and Blackpool the referendum outcome might have been different provided of course that voters ensured they went out to vote.

When people cannot afford a house or get their children into the school of their choice or cannot sign on with a doctor or dental practice, it is likely thay will become resentful.

Some years ago George Clarke from Channel 4 told Grant Shapps about the million empty homes in the country. You would think that action to repair them and bring them back into use would have been forthcoming with local builders being given the job but instead the Conservative party stuck to their plan of using big building companies who wanted to build on Green Belt land to keep down costs.

This plus the failure to provide adequate school places, doctors, dentists and now teachers etc merely encouraged people to vote for leaving the EU and put us in the mess we are in now as the cabinet squabble over the best plan to leave.

[Osem]

I see Corbyn's learned a few lessons in spin from his arch-enemey Blair. This time it's a visit to a supposedly normal GP's surgery with plenty of anti-government pro-Labour talk...

https://order-order.com/2017/08/10/c...r-spin-doctor/

Oddly, there's no mention of the political affiliations of the guy who runs the practice. Can't think why...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Yes the 80's in most of Northern England was one long fairytale with the Tories.

Well, maybe if the strikers hadn't brought the country to its knees and had the unions not tried to bring down the government, things might have looked a lot different.

The words actions and consequences spring to mind.

It was certainly a shame that ordinary, decent people were caught up in all that, it must have been horrendous.