The 2017 General Election

The Labour Manifesto had costings, albeit optimistic ones, the degree to which you believe them is obviously the question. The Tories didn't bother with any costings in a sign of how easy they thought the election would be.

[denphone]

l think this summed it up perfectly quoting from a certain newspaper comments section.

In their arrogance, they thought they could limit the debate to Brexit and nothing but Brexit, ignoring the fact that many voters were desperate to hear an optimistic economic message after years of austerity.

What was even less forgivable was that they believed they could win by parroting a handful of robotic and, frankly, moronic mantras: ‘Brexit means Brexit’, ‘Strong, stable leadership’ and so on. Apparently, their political consultants had assured them that this would guarantee victory. Well, we all know how that turned out.

For Mrs May, the result is a personal disaster of almost incalculable proportions

A little European context for our election results.

https://reaction.life/the-may-mandate/

I have compiled a league table of European Council members (excluding the Presidents of the Council and Commission who are not elected by the general public). In their most recent open elections, Theresa May’s 42.4% share of the vote actually puts her in fifth place of the 28 leaders ... Four of her counterparts have never faced the electorate as leaders. Seven did not even top the polls in their most recent elections. (Three of them came third!) In fact only three of the 24 Parliamentary systems have a single party with a majority of the seats. Seven seats short of an overall majority, May’s is the sixth strongest Parliamentary position of the 24.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

A little European context for our election results.

https://reaction.life/the-may-mandate/

Yeah but May's a loser and everyone really wants Corbyn...

[denphone]

A interesting post-election survey done by YouGov.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13...eral-election/

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...graphics_W.pdf

Originally Posted by Osem

Yeah but May's a loser and everyone really wants Corbyn...

We don't measure results by European tallies, some of which have PR systems so naturally have smaller vote shares, but by the UK system. May won more votes than Corbyn but she gambled on getting a lot more and instead lost her majority.

By her own yardstick she lost.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Typical. I missed an "and" from Q2.

Re: Q2. What do the people at the LGBT meetings that you said that you attend think about the decision of May to ally herself with the DUP?

I'm interested in finding out whether the LGBT community perceive any real threat to their rights because of the influence of the DUP.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I have already said the link with DUP and Terrorists is weak, the group DUP was only tied to, UR, for only a year, was ON our side, but they did not kill anybody, they just armed themselves, illegally during the IRA uprising era, we all know the IRA did kill people, big difference !

There are concerns that many University Students were able to vote TWICE in the General Election. There are some parents claiming their son/daughter was able to vote TWICE.

A Petition has appeared demanding an investigation be carried out because some Constituencies results were extremely tight.

https://www.change.org/p/uk-electora...cation=minibar

Students can only vote twice in local elections. It's a criminal offence to vote twice in a General Election.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by alanbjames

If the Tories were so good at making cuts to pay off the deficit why are we now borrowing more than when Labour was in power?

That was all Osbournes doing, phaps he needs lessons in Maths.

They cut the deficit, not the debt. The debt kept going up, mainlydue to the cost of servicing the debt.

Basically the interest payments keep pushing up the borrowing.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Re: Q2. What do the people at the LGBT meetings that you said that you attend think about the decision of May to ally herself with the DUP?

I'm interested in finding out whether the LGBT community perceive any real threat to their rights because of the influence of the DUP.

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Students can only vote twice in local elections. It's a criminal offence to vote twice in a General Election.

Nope they CAN vote twice in both elections. It's only a problem for them if they get caught.

[TheDaddy]

Any last vestages of confidence any one had in mayday has surely gone, she can't even get a Mexican wave right

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7788751.html

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Any last vestages of confidence any one had in mayday has surely gone, she can't even get a Mexican wave right

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7788751.html

Probably because her minders have told her to think a little bit longer before making decisions.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yeah but May's a loser and everyone really wants Corbyn...

I don't know that everyone does want Corbyn. I think people have had enough of being told that we need cuts in public services (especially schools and hospitals, although PFI has caused a lot of those issues), public service employees should expect pay rises to be capped to 1% and that "we are all in this together" by a group of people who were awarded a 10% pay rise the year before last, then 1.3% last year, and have been awarded a further 1.4% pay rise this year, and have essentially given themselves billions of pounds to do up their own office building.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of raising an MP's salary that much (and I can see that the reason they probably did it is to ensure that that the good MPs don't leave public service and go to industry), and I realise that Parliament actually does need the alterations and renovations planned, but it does look to the electorate like there is one rule for the MPs and one for everyone else. The same could be said of Euro MPs and the European Parliament

I suspect a lot of people voted for Labour because while Corbyn hasn't said he is going to stop MPs giving themselves larger and larger salaries, he has talked about ending Austerity.

I think a lot of people voted for Brexit for the same reason. They see the EU as a group of politicians that are only in it for what they can get. They would have a point, and that is something the EU needs to address if it is to survive.

Originally Posted by denphone

A interesting post-election survey done by YouGov.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13...eral-election/

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...graphics_W.pdf

If that chart is right, Theresa May could have buggered up the Tories for a long time. Put bluntly, the Tories have done well in the older population. The trouble is, the older population are, in general, going to die before the younger generation where, quite frankly, Labour are walking all over the Tories at the moment.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Re: Q2. What do the people at the LGBT meetings that you said that you attend think about the decision of May to ally herself with the DUP?

I'm interested in finding out whether the LGBT community perceive any real threat to their rights because of the influence of the DUP.[COLOR="Silver"]

Where've I ever said I attend LGBT meetings??

[gba93]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Put bluntly, the Tories have done well in the older population. The trouble is, the older population are, in general, going to die before the younger generation where, quite frankly, Labour are walking all over the Tories at the moment.

Agreed - older people will tend to die before younger people however younger people grow older and will then be more likely to vote Conservative

Originally Posted by Stuart

Put bluntly, the Tories have done well in the older population. The trouble is, the older population are, in general, going to die before the younger generation where, quite frankly, Labour are walking all over the Tories at the moment.

It's a common error to assume that people's political allegiances remain static throughout their lives. However it doesn't stack up; the generation voting Tory now voted Labour or Lib Dem from 1997 to 2005. Many of the older ones voted Labour in the 1970s and then Tory throughout the 1980s.

Then truth is, larger numbers of young people are liable to vote for the party that represents the anti-establishment position. They're idealistic like that. At the moment, Corbyn's doing a great job of sounding anti establishment (because he is, though not in a good way).

When young people get older, get jobs, get married, get mortgages and houses ... well then, the practical consequences of the policies they're asked to vote for become a little more relevant. Until then, they're going to vote for whoever they think will stick it to the man and give them free stuff.