The 2017 General Election

[richard s]

Well done Canterbury for voting Labour... 100 years of Tory rule gone... now for some other blue areas to turn red in Kent.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by richard s

Well done Canterbury for voting Labour... 100 years of Tory rule gone... now for some other blue areas to turn red in Kent.

Apparently students Richard and a long sitting MP who some say didn’t represent the constituency and more or less sat on his laurels.

[TheDaddy]

Nothing surprises me with them since new labour new danger, glad it backfired so spectacularly. If only they'd spent a little of it spelling out the much vaunted plan and a few policies Mrs May might not be clinging on to her job

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/10/tories...verts-6699774/

[denphone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Nothing surprises me with them since new labour new danger, glad it backfired so spectacularly. If only they'd spent a little of it spelling out the much vaunted plan and a few policies Mrs May might not be clinging on to her job

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/10/tories...verts-6699774/

The thing is TD extreme negative campaigning had come to the fore during the referendum campaign and many saw through it then but quite clearly the Conservatives still took the electorate as fools which quite clearly they are not as the negative campaigning backfired spectacularly as we now see.

When they did release some of their own policies from their manifesto that to was a unmitigated disaster as they were just as ill thought out as some of Labours policies in their manifesto and also the Conservatives notion that the Brexiteers voters on their own would give them the thumping majority that they hoped for in their election again foundered badly on the rocks as well

Originally Posted by Mr K

And then there's the DUPs links to paramilitaries.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7782631.html
Can't really have a go at Corbyn now.

No need to have a go at Corbin anymore - he lost

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

No need to have a go at Corbin anymore - he lost

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

No need to have a go at Corbin anymore - he lost

Well they might need more ammunition, he is stronger than he was before the election politically and May is weaker.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well they might need more ammunition, he is stronger than he was before the election politically and May is weaker.

Once the dust has settled it'll be back to the same old infighting and Corbyn's temporary, gloss will soon tarnish. He's still a loser, albeit not just as big a one as many people thought.

Originally Posted by Osem

Once the dust has settled it'll be back to the same old infighting and Corbyn's temporary gloss will soon tarnish.

They hope. A lot of the infighting was based on the idea Corbyn would led to electoral disaster, he is going to have a lot more backbench support. He may chuck that all away of course but at the moment the party is a lot stronger.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

Once the dust has settled it'll be back to the same old infighting and Corbyn's temporary, gloss will soon tarnish. He's still a loser, albeit not just as big a one as many people thought.

Yes he is a loser but a bigger loser is this country as we are stuck with a lame duck prime minister propped up by the DUC and from my experience its not if she goes but when as the infighting has already started to kick off within her party and its going to be very hard to douse the fires of discontent now within her party from my experience.

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Originally Posted by Damien

They hope. A lot of the infighting was based on the idea Corbyn would led to electoral disaster, he is going to have a lot more backbench support. He may chuck that all away of course but at the moment the party is a lot stronger.

All it needs is a couple of by-elections now and that majority with the DUC support is gone probably.

Originally Posted by Damien

They hope. A lot of the infighting was based on the idea Corbyn would led to electoral disaster, he is going to have a lot more backbench support. He may chuck that all away of course but at the moment the party is a lot stronger.

I agree with what you are saying but I just have a feeling that we saw a few weeks of a chap acting how he was advised to act and that deep down he still harbours the views he has had for years.

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

I agree with what you are saying but I just have a feeling that we saw a few weeks of a chap acting how he was advised to act and that deep down he still harbours the views he has had for years.

He certainly has the same views.

I think the main difference is Corbyn is an excellent campaigner but so far a poor leader of a political party. We've seen the before when he turns it on for leadership elections before going AWOL during normal day-to-day politics.

It could be the same dynamic occurs again. Or he and the party could see the advantage they now have and restructure. He gets more big-hitters from the backbenchers to join the shadow cabinet, listens to their advice, they accommodate a lot of his domestic policy platform and go from there.

I still think the Tories would do better in another election if they changed leader, had a better campaign and manifesto and were generally more inclusive than May deciding half the country were sneering remoaning saboteurs and sticking two fingers up at them.

[1andrew1]

More strength and stability from the Conservatives.

Confusion as DUP denies it has struck a deal with May’s Tories
Theresa May’s move to form a new government fell into confusion early on Sunday, after the Democratic Unionist Party denied it had finalised a deal to support the Conservatives in the UK parliament...
Sky News reported that Downing Street had announced a deal in error by sending out the wrong statement.

https://www.ft.com/content/b78dabfc-...2-db19572361bb

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More strength and stability from the Conservatives.

https://www.ft.com/content/b78dabfc-...2-db19572361bb

She is practising her negotiating technique for next week

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Yes, l did vote Labour. But, only just. I didn't decide until l went into the box and put my X on Ruth Cadbury MP.

I am totally delighted at the outcome. The Tories are now rocking. And l can see TM being thrown out. By angry Tories as did when MT got booted.

The election was a disaster for the Tories. And it really does give JC a chance of becoming a PM.

With a No confidence vote being given into Parliament very soon after Parliament opening.

DUP want assurances to support TM, But this will be thrown out by various parties.

And even Stupid Boris is hotly tipped to take over. See the knives and have been sharpened and are ready to go for the kill

I don't know how you can be delighted with the outcome, Arthur. Corbyn still lost the election, and now we have a chaotic situation that will be difficult to retrieve.

If this impacts on our Brexit negotiations, this could mean a bad deal for the UK that will impact adversely on our economy. That will lead to even more austerity.

So tell me, Arthur, why on earth would you be 'delighted at the outcome'?

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Originally Posted by Damien

They hope. A lot of the infighting was based on the idea Corbyn would led to electoral disaster, he is going to have a lot more backbench support. He may chuck that all away of course but at the moment the party is a lot stronger.

But Corbyn is weaker without Diane Abbott by his side to help him calculate the cost of his policies.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More strength and stability from the Conservatives.

https://www.ft.com/content/b78dabfc-...2-db19572361bb

The talks with the DUP don't start until Tuesday, in fact. I would be surprised if this came to anything other than an agreement to continue voting with the Conservatives, as they have always done.