The 2017 General Election

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by passingbat

For Brexiteers, who want a proper Brexit, there is only one choice and that is the Conservatives. May has got best plan for Brexit. Labour will compromise so much that it will be worthless; Corbyn doesn't want immigration reduced, and we'd end up staying in the Single Market, and because of that, the ECJ.


I'm wary of Conservative governments, but for me, at this election, Brexit overrides those concerns. It helps that Labour, under Corbyn, (and his buddies) have lost all sense of what we can afford, and with Corbyn, would give the country a terrorist supporting leader.

You know some Brexiteers seem to be paranoid that Brexit is going to be a complete disaster. Chillax, what can possibly go wrong ?

As for a 'proper' Brexit that would be a 'hard no deal Brexit ? - which Labour has ruled out as that would be a guaranteed disaster.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mr K

As for a 'proper' Brexit that would be a 'hard no deal Brexit ? .

It means Hard Brexit, and walking away if we can't get a decent deal.


Saying, as Labour has, that we will, under any circumstances, get a deal, is a way to ensure a lousy deal. Plain common sense really.

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by denphone

Not exactly a great choice put in front of the electorate suffice to say but its important that one votes IMO as there are no excuses for those who do not vote as they cannot moan and groan afterwards about things if they did not take any part on democracy in the first place.

So there you are 3 leaders all distinctly very poor but at the end of the day one has to put a cross on their ballet paper

There are excuses not to vote, you have already mentioned them. I don't think anyone should lose their right to an opinion just because they didn't vote. Especially when the choice is a poor one.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

There are excuses not to vote, you have already mentioned them. I don't think anyone should lose their right to an opinion just because they didn't vote. Especially when the choice is a poor one.

The answer to that scenario is to separate yourself from those who can't be bothered and write 'none of the above' on the ballot paper so that our politicians can't simply dismiss everyone who didn't vote for them as lazy. If enough people did his they'd have no such excuse. It might just focus their minds on how many people are fed up with the current political offering.

[Gary L]

Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.

at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative.

don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again!

Originally Posted by Gary L

Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.

at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative.

don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again!

Absolute rubbish about pens. You have absolutely no evidence to back this absurd stuff up.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.

at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative.

don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again!

You are obviously an avid follower of fake news, Gary! Anyway, there's still the Tippex!

Originally Posted by Gary L

Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.

at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative.

don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again!

You know you're not allowed pens Gary. But they might let you use a crayon if you ask nicely.

[Sirius]

As i am ex forces who served during the troubles in Northern Ireland and stood against the IRA, i could not bring myself to Vote for Corbyn who stood along side the IRA and supported them. I can never vote for the Libs as they are just tree huggers so Conservative it was.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Sirius

As i am ex forces who served during the troubles in Northern Ireland and stood against the IRA, i could not bring myself to Vote for Corbyn who stood along side the IRA and supported them. I can never vote for the Libs as they are just tree huggers so Conservative it was.

... and unlike Corbyn and so many of those who surround him I'm grateful and proud of our armed forces and the role so many people just like you and your son have played in serving our country. I well remember the sort of things he and his fellow Labour apologists used to say and do so voting for them would be like stabbing you all in the back.

Originally Posted by Osem

Voting for them would be like stabbing you all in the back.

That's like when people say if you don't vote Labour you're attacking nurses/the disabled/the poor.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are obviously an avid follower of fake news, Gary! Anyway, there's still the Tippex!

Judging by his post, he's already been sniffing it...

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Originally Posted by Damien

That's like when people say if you don't vote Labour you're attacking nurses/the disabled/the poor.

No it isn't because it's a comment aimed at Corbyn, his close associates past and present and those currently running Labour, not the party as a whole.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

That's like when people say if you don't vote Labour you're attacking nurses/the disabled/the poor.

Indeed l think its unwise to look at things rather simplistically as some do for example the nasty party label and the red Marxist label are two some seem to attach to certain political parties.

I got out and voted but i know a few people who have decided they are not going to bother it's not laziness it's bad choices and long standing apathy and as much as people died for our democratic right to vote they died for people to choose not too as well. As for writing "none of the above" it sounds good but all it ends up being is a spoilt vote no one will be declaring that X% voted none of the above and until it is an official option on the vote it's just a waste of time and energy.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by passingbat

It means Hard Brexit, and walking away if we can't get a decent deal.


Saying, as Labour has, that we will, under any circumstances, get a deal, is a way to ensure a lousy deal. Plain common sense really.

Correct. It's really not rocket science is it and you just have to wonder about how those who peddle this sort of guff go about negotiating in their real lives and careers. Tell the other side your bottom line from the outset??!!

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I got out and voted but i know a few people who have decided they are not going to bother it's not laziness it's bad choices and long standing apathy and as much as people died for our democratic right to vote they died for people to choose not too as well. As for writing "none of the above" it sounds good but all it ends up being is a spoilt vote no one will be declaring that X% voted none of the above and until it is an official option on the vote it's just a waste of time and energy.

I disagree. Fancy being elected by less votes than the number of spoiled papers. What sort of credibility would such politicians have? If we want better we have to show the current encumbents how little we think of them, not just stay at home and moan about how they don't represent them.