U.S President: Donald Trump

Originally Posted by Mick

But you're not taking the politics out of it at all, with that as your saying the Democrats should be the ones to do the approval, don't think so, those sour face idiots are not to be trusted, they say one thing, like some of them have been saying prior to the firing, Comey should be fired, now he is fired, they are still whinging.

The Senate approves the FBI director. The Democrats + 3 Republicans would be able to reject one. Trump shouldn't be in charge of who investigates him, hence special prosector.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's not going away...

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...511-story.html

Depends who the new Director is. If it's an ally of Trump it will killed pretty quickly.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Depends who the new Director is. If it's an ally of Trump it will killed pretty quickly.

The only thing that'll kill it is a proper, thorough investigation or else it'll keep raising it's head and attempts to squash it will only make people think there is something very grotty to hide

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The only thing that'll kill it is a proper, thorough investigation or else it'll keep raising it's head and attempts to squash it will only make people think there is something very grotty to hide

Maybe but I think a lot of people have made up their minds already. He wants to double down on his base who'll support him almost no matter what. Fired FBI directors, chaotic and partisan congressional investigations and news reports are more easily dismissed than an impartial investigation. It's much easier to call news reports fake news and blame the Democrats for any accusations than deal with the findings of an independent investigations (see Flynn).

So long as the story is murky and confusing then people can draw what they want from it.

Let's revisit the FBI findings on the Democrats precious, Hillary.

Under Oath Hillary Clinton, lied that there were no Classified emails on her unsecured, private server. James Comey said otherwise. She should have been criminally liable for both possessing or transferring Classified emails from a secured to unsecured system and then Perjury (Lying under Oath).

Had she been convicted as she should have been, she would have had her Presidential candidacy revoked. But of course, this did not happen because suspiciously, her husband, Bill Clinton, had a 45 minute chat on the back of a plane with then U.S Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, days before FBI were to conclude the FBI Investigation report on Hillary Clinton's email investigation.

So if Trump is to have a impartial investigation, then she, crooked Hillary and her husband, Bill Clinton, Loretta Lynch and James Comey, need investigating into what was discussed at the back of that plane and why suddenly, no criminal charges were to be brought about.

So it is not okay to dismiss the above and then say Democrats should decide on stuff for Trump, don't think so, they did not act holier than thou when it came to their precious, crooked Hillary.

[pip08456]

I have to say allegedly as I can find not authorative source, there are those in the FBI who were not happy with the Clinton investigation being closed.

Be that as it may, Trump HAS to let the investigation into the Russian collusion run it's course or it will never disappear.

It may well turn out he was not aware of it and that it was his campaign team all along. Until the investigation has run it's natural course and been concluded all his denials are meaningless.

It would look better for him if he was seen to be co-operating fully with the FBI on this.

Originally Posted by pip08456

I have to say allegedly as I can find not authorative source, there are those in the FBI who were not happy with the Clinton investigation being closed.

Be that as it may, Trump HAS to let the investigation into the Russian collusion run it's course or it will never disappear.

It may well turn out he was not aware of it and that it was his campaign team all along. Until the investigation has run it's natural course and been concluded all his denials are meaningless.

It would look better for him if he was seen to be co-operating fully with the FBI on this.

An FBI investigation has been very long running on Trump team going back to July last year, nothing of any significance has yet been found.

There is the issue with Flynn, being less than honest having a conversation with a Russian official about Sanctions on Russia.

But it is like a former advisor to Trump has said in recent TV interview, they are desperate to find something, they want to find something, anything to delegitimise the Trump Presidency.

Originally Posted by Mick

So it is not okay to dismiss the above and then say Democrats should decide on stuff for Trump, don't think so, they did not act holier than thou when it came to their precious, crooked Hillary.

A Special Prosecutor would be independent. It wouldn't be subject to congress or the White House at all.

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Originally Posted by Mick

An FBI investigation has been very long running on Trump team going back to July last year, nothing of any significance has yet been found.

There is the issue with Flynn, being less than honest having a conversation with a Russian official about Sanctions on Russia.

But it is like a former advisor to Trump has said in recent TV interview, they are desperate to find something, they want to find something, anything to delegitimise the Trump Presidency.

Then let there be an independent investigation, then he can be cleared.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

A Special Prosecutor would be independent. It wouldn't be subject to congress or the White House at all.

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Then let there be an independent investigation, then he can be cleared.

innocent until proven guilty

(the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies), is the principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Latest tweet.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump

James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!

1:26PM - 12 May 2017

I wonder what he means by "tapes"?

Originally Posted by papa smurf

innocent until proven guilty

(the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies), is the principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Yes, you're right. I should have said then let there be an independent investigation, then he will have no case to answer.

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https://twitter.com/AP/status/863032385029451777

BREAKING: Trump lawyer: Tax returns from past 10 years show no "income of any type from Russian sources," with few exceptions

No income, with few exceptions

Isnt that "some" income then ....

Arsenal didn't lose a game this season, with few exceptions.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Arsenal didn't lose a game this season, with few exceptions.

Bill Clinton has been 100% faithful to Hillary, with few exceptions.

There needs to be full and proper investigations into the russia issue and a real proper investigation into hillary clinton because there is a lot of feeling she got away with something big and yes it's true a large group in the FBI were not happy. The fact is both the NSA and CIA will be conducting their own investigations in regards to possible russian involvement in the election and I'd bet money the NSA has a large file on the clinton emails as well. Whats clear is that politics in america needs cleaning out and both political parties have stuff they don't want known by the public and until the system is cleaned up not much hope of it working as intended.

They also need to get rid of some of the intelligence and security agencies as right now there are too many that don't work well together and rather then make things more secure they are weakening the system by each not wanting to risk crossing into another agencies territory and just lousy communication. America is in a mess and we can only hope it gets sorted sooner rather then later with putin about.

[Mr K]

Mmm, Trump lawyer, sounds independent ! It's all stinks of a horrendously bad cover up. Nixon would be appalled at the incompetence of it all.