U.S President: Donald Trump

If he did meet healthcare leaders it's a bit late, the bill goes to a vote this week.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

The comment was made at yesterday's hearing, unless I misunderstood the Telegraph as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ssian-hackers/

I just quoted your quote.

The main learning point from this is - there is no surveillance or wire-tapping investigation, just one into the Russian matter. Because there is no wire-tapping or surveillance evidence to investigate.

Originally Posted by Damien

If he did meet healthcare leaders it's a bit late, the bill goes to a vote this week.

It was actually a VA meeting and he also met with Marvel Entertainment CEO, Ike Perlmutter. He also stopped off at a Cancer charity event.

http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/li...KK9gx6OCPmZgP/

No mention of golf being played at all and I am sure those Paparazzi with long distance lenses, would have caught a glimpse or two if he had.

Originally Posted by Mick

It was actually a VA meeting and he also met with Marvel Entertainment CEO, Ike Perlmutter. He also stopped off at a Cancer charity event.

http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/li...KK9gx6OCPmZgP/

No mention of golf being played at all and I am sure those Paparazzi with long distance lenses, would have caught a glimpse or two if he had.

Makes more sense. I am not sure when the bill does actually go the floor but it might even be today.

Fox News seem to suspended the pundit who made the GCHQ claims: http://www.mediaite.com/uncategorize...etap-comments/

They had previously said their reporters couldn't find evidence of his claims and said it was his views only and not those of Fox.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The main learning point from this is - there is no surveillance or wire-tapping investigation, just one into the Russian matter. Because there is no wire-tapping or surveillance evidence to investigate.

I can see the parameters of this enquiry being opened up, or a new one being started, especially into the amount of leaks.


This particular exchange needs to be looked into further:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIh-CadZweI.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/watch...stigation.html

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes will speak Wednesday about the ongoing investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

https://twitter.com/jamiedupree?lang=en-gb

Nunes says Trump communications were caught in "normal incidental collection...normal foreign surveillance"

He has said so far there was collection of data from Trump's team in the process of monitoring foreign intelligence and Trump may have been included in that incidentally. Although the White House hasn't seen it so it's not what Trump was referring too. If true though it would explain how they knew about Flynn and the Russian ambassador.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I felt Hugh's question about Trump's hypocrisy was more pertinent. I summarised it as:
Month 1: Trump says people shouldn't be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody's name.
Month 2: Trump's own press secretary quoted Judge Andrew Napolitano who used anonymous sources.
The reason given to Hugh as to why this hypocrisy is ok is that Trump's press secretary is not Trump himself.

Regarding the golfing, I don't have an issue with that. At the time before he was President, Trump may have felt that the President shouldn't take a day out for this. Having done the job himself, he may now appreciate that it's needed. But more likely scoring political points!

You are right of course, there are far more important issues here than playing golf. The issue is not the golf but his regular hypocrisy regarding his behaviour.

What he should have done is to tweet a message like:

After being POTUS for the time I have, I was wrong. I can see why Obama needed to take some time and relax on the golf course!

He would earn far more credibility doing this that his normal tweeted nonsense ...

[passingbat]

Nunes announcement today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kUcoNTR-0g

Originally Posted by passingbat

Nunes announcement today.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kUcoNTR-0g

So to sum this up, intelligence reports have been provided to Devin Nunes : House Chairman of Intelligence Select Committee, which suggests The Trump team were being monitored after he won the Presidency Election, so this is Nov, Dec 2016 and then Jan this year that these reports suggest they were being monitored.

Whoever ordered this, Nunes said failed to alert Congress, he says what needs to be determined now, who knew about it (i.e Was President Obama aware? Given he receives intelligence briefings daily, I would struggle to believe he didn't) and if any laws have been violated.

Originally Posted by passingbat

I can see the parameters of this enquiry being opened up, or a new one being started, especially into the amount of leaks.


This particular exchange needs to be looked into further:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIh-CadZweI.

Mmmm.....

The house is on fire, let's investigate who set off the fire alarm, and ignore finding out who set the house on fire...

Would Nixon have been impeached if they had only investigated "Deep Throat" and Woodward & Bernstein, and brushed over the facts of the Watergate break-in, and the abuses of power by the Nixon administration?

Originally Posted by Mick

So to sum this up, intelligence reports have been provided to Devin Nunes : House Chairman of Intelligence Select Committee, which suggests The Trump team were being monitored after he won the Presidency Election, so this is Nov, Dec 2016 and then Jan this year that these reports suggest they were being monitored.

At the moment it seems Trump aides were caught up in FISA warrants. I.E They already had the other end of the phones tapped (presumably when phoning foreign nations who were already being monitored).

At the moment though he isn't sharing the intel with the rest of the committee so god knows what's doing on now.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

there is no surveillance investigation.

It looks like there will possibly be one now. Good questions from Trey Gowdy on Monday.


We still need to see what actually happened. Investigations don't mean someone is guilty of something. I'm waiting for more information to come down the pike before making any judgement on all aspects of this enquiry.

There are two investigations at the moment. Trump/Russia and the leaks.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

There are two investigations at the moment. Trump/Russia and the leaks.

Yes. I don't see grounds for people complaining that their phones were tapped when they phoned officials of what the US classified as a hostile country, Russia.