U.S President: Donald Trump

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

How is it sensible? Virtually every US terrorist attack in recent times has been homegrown.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/op...terror-bergen/
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How many of the foiled ones have been from these states? Or instigated from these states?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

How many of the foiled ones have been from these states? Or instigated from these states?

You tell me. The main threat in the US seems to be from right wing nutters who love their guns.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mr K

How is it sensible? .

I've explained it at least twice on this thread. You need to check out media outside the UK to get the full story; don't trust the BBC to give you the full story it is against their anti Trump agenda.


The Obama administration identified the initial 7 countries as needing more attention from a travel perspective. The documentation provided by those countries was less than sufficient to prove that there was no security risk. The Trump administration decided to impose a temporary ban whilst working out ways to obtain more information. Iraq has now agreed to supply more information and has been taken off the list. According to a Whitehouse press briefing, the list is not set in stone; countries could be added or removed at a later date.


BTW Terrorism is not Saudi Arabia's default method of 'attacking' America; their method appears to be influence via financial investments.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

I've explained it at least twice on this thread. You need to check out media outside the UK to get the full story; don't trust the BBC to give you the full story it is against their anti Trump agenda.

The Obama administration identified the initial 7 countries as needing more attention from a travel perspective. The documentation provided by those countries was less than sufficient to prove that there was no security risk. The Trump administration decided to impose a temporary ban whilst working out ways to obtain more information. Iraq has now agreed to supply more information and has been taken off the list. According to a Whitehouse press briefing, the list is not set in stone; countries could be added or removed at a later date.

BTW Terrorism is not Saudi Arabia's default method of 'attacking' America; their method appears to be influence via financial investments.

I don't think Mr K mentioned the BBC in his posts.

Main issue with the ban is that Homeland Security said it would not make the country safer. So why is Trump wasting time on a measure that does not make the country safer when he could be spending time on measures that make it safer? It looks more like posture and placating his always-believers.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7599126.html

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

You tell me. The main threat in the US seems to be from right wing nutters who love their guns.

I don't know, and neither do you.....that's the point.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I don't think Mr K mentioned the BBC in his posts.

Main issue with the ban is that Homeland Security said it would not make the country safer. So why is Trump wasting time on a measure that does not make the country safer when he could be spending time on measures that make it safer? It looks more like posture and placating his always-believers.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7599126.html

Interring mix of reader comments on that article.

I don't think Mr K mentioned the BBC in his posts.

It's a generalisation. Most UK citizen's news source is predominately via the BBC.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't know, and neither do you.....that's the point.

Considering over the last 10 years or so you're 3210 times more likely to have been killed by guns than terrorists in America, I'd say the balance of probability lay with the gun nuts, the terrorists would have some way to go to kill over 300 000 people and tbh I'm not sure they're up to it, fortunately.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Considering over the last 10 years or so you're 3210 times more likely to have been killed by guns than terrorists in America, I'd say the balance of probability lay with the gun nuts, the terrorists would have some way to go to kill over 300 000 people and tbh I'm not sure they're up to it, fortunately.

Different argument, and not really relevant.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by passingbat

I've explained it at least twice on this thread. You need to check out media outside the UK to get the full story; don't trust the BBC to give you the full story it is against their anti Trump agenda.

The link I posted was from CNN
Let me guess, they've a bunch of Commie Liberals as well that spoil Donalds bile with facts. Shoot them all I say, they're not God fearing like the Donald ( praise the Lord!).

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The link I posted was from CNN
Let me guess, they've a bunch of Commie Liberals as well that spoil Donalds bile with facts. Shoot them all I say, they're not God fearing like the Donald ( praise the Lord!).

Well, they are commonly known as the 'Clinton News Network', especially during the Presidential election

[nidave]

How do you reconcile the fact trump is cutting funding to the TSA & Cost Guard to cover the initial cost of the wall on the Mexico border? (Do Mexicans not have boats?) How does this play with the travel ban? To me the two things seem incompatible, especially the TSA.

"This plan would cut the Coast Guardsbudget by 14 percent down to $7.8 billion and that of the TSA by 11 percent, down to $4.5 billion. It would also decrease the budget of the Federal Emergency Management Agency FEMA, which provides relief after natural disasters, by 11 percent to $3.6 billion."

Given how many americans loathe both the tsa and fema i think trump has again cemented his core support, we are judging all this without understanding the americans that voted for trump or the reasons many of them voted anti establishment. I think that was the key to trumps victory not that people are overly supportive of him or even like him but that he was a complete break from an establishment that a majority of americans feel has failed them and isn't representive of them and trump was just the only option to express that. What I've noticed over the last few years amongst the americans i chat with is a growing anti government sentiment and an exasperation with how the government operates.

That's from both democrat and republican voters theres something very wrong in the US and while i don't think trump will solve it he at least recognises it exists unlike the democrats who still haven't woken up yet.

Congressional Budget Office has said 24 million people will lose health coverage under the current plan: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...lthcareact.pdf

That's worse than the expected 11 million.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Congressional Budget Office has said 24 million people will lose health coverage under the current plan: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...lthcareact.pdf

That's worse than the expected 11 million.

That links seems to have broken but this one works https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486

I wonder how many of the 24m voted for Trump?

But for those who remain insured their Premiums will rise 10-20% than Obamacare in the first 5 years but end up 10% lower for young people than Obamacare in 2026.