U.S President: Donald Trump

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Trump's in charge so he can just check if phone-tapping was authorised by Obama in five minutes. It's not rocket science.
Obama was no angel and Mick was right to point this out.

As if "they" would disclose everything.

Either they could hide it because it's their nature or so "the prez" has deniability.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Shouldn't it be 120 days less the time (40 days or so) that they've already had to do their research when the first ban was announced? Starting from 120 days gives the impression that it will just be continually renewed.

You could always pop over to America and find a way to take a law suit out against them I think they would probably let you in

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Mick

I think you will find, Obama Administration has been reported to have form when it comes to spying games. Spying on their own allies, France, The WTO, UN's Ban Ki Moon, so why not Donald Trump ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ry-clinton-ban

The thing is, how would they profit? Obama was not allowed to stand, and if the Democrats were caught profiting from it, even if they had won, the presidency would have been tainted. They didn't win, but it's entirely possible that if they were caught, they may still be tainted, and lose the next election as well.

In short, while I don't claim either political party is innocent, and I don't believe that of any politician, I think the potential risks of wiretapping a presidential candidate outwiegh the potential benefits, both for the sitting president and his party.

On the other hand, Trump needs something to distract people from the rumours of his own campaign staff having links with a foreign power, and the various courts overturning his ban.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

You could always pop over to America and find a way to take a law suit out against them I think they would probably let you in

I'm interested to see if Obama takes out a lawsuit against Trump for his evidence-free phone-tapping accusations.

Trump has just tweeted the folllowing:

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 21minutes ago

For eight years Russia "ran over" President Obama, got stronger and stronger, picked-off Crimea and added missiles. Weak! @foxandfriends

He is not wrong.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Stuart

The thing is, how would they profit? Obama was not allowed to stand, and if the Democrats were caught profiting from it, even if they had won, the presidency would have been tainted. They didn't win, but it's entirely possible that if they were caught, they may still be tainted, and lose the next election as well.

In short, while I don't claim either political party is innocent, and I don't believe that of any politician, I think the potential risks of wiretapping a presidential candidate outwiegh the potential benefits, both for the sitting president and his party.

On the other hand, Trump needs something to distract people from the rumours of his own campaign staff having links with a foreign power, and the various courts overturning his ban.

Good points.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm interested to see if Obama takes out a lawsuit against Trump for his evidence-free phone-tapping accusations.

I said above that there were reports that Obama has a history of spying on folk, even friends. So I ask again, if he happily spied on ally's, Ban Ki Moon... why not DJT ?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I said above that there were reports that Obama has a history of spying on folk, even friends. So I ask again, if he happily spied on ally's, Ban Ki Moon... why not DJT ?

Obama just continued an existing Republican scheme. Are you saying that existing Republican scheme Obama inherited and continued would have involved spying on Trump then?

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Obama just continued an existing Republican scheme. Are you saying that existing Republican scheme Obama inherited and continued would have involved spying on Trump then?

Yes. I'd probably agree with the idea Obama spied on Trump, I'd also agree with it being a continuation of existing ventures. I reckon Obama was probably scoped out himself by the previous POTUS. I wouldn't be that shocked to know they all spied on each other to be honest.

In fact, strangely enough, Vault 7 just appeared via Wikileaks which is detailing the incredible tools the CIA are currently using, it's both disturbing and far worse than expected.

CIA made NSA style database with less accountability

So the CIA are evidently doing as they please, and there's nothing saying they're actually answering to anyone, so what if Trump's right about being tapped, but wrong about who's done or doing it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

So the CIA are evidently doing as they please, and there's nothing saying they're actually answering to anyone, so what if Trump's right about being tapped, but wrong about who's done or doing it.

If Trump believed that to be true then he would be prioritising it. He's not.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If Trump believed that to be true then he would be prioritising it. He's not.

He'd do anything to drag his predecessor through the mud, which he's doing. Then at the same time, I also believe Obama would do it, but wouldn't be the first and would be a mere continuation of something that someone else started.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

He'd do anything to drag his predecessor through the mud, which he's doing.

He'd do anything to get people from focusing on the Russian question. If he smears the Democrats in the process then even better!

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If Trump believed that to be true then he would be prioritising it. He's not.

Umm... you seem very sure... you're not hacking anywhere you shouldn't are you...

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Umm... you seem very sure... you're not hacking anywhere you shouldn't are you...

He's not But the CIA are

An organization with that history that's still doing things unethical to people to this very day continues to exist. Land of the free, except your webcams, cars, smartphones, computers, tablets, anything running windows, android, iOS, linux and anything in between. Oh and your Smart TV's.. In fact, All your base are belong to us. They could be watching Kim Jong Un scoff a waffle down but they're busy making sure you don't get the right colour in candy crush.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Umm... you seem very sure... you're not hacking anywhere you shouldn't are you...

Lol. I doubt he'd do anything like that without sharing his words of wisdom via Twitter first