U.S President: Donald Trump

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

His declared policies may be, but his actual action weren't.

Judge people by what they do, not just by what they say...

http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump...ented-workers/

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/20...n-workers.html

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news...reign-workers/

Good point. Some people have fallen into the trap of thinking that because Trump says some politically incorrect things, that he's not spinning and is genuine. As your evidence shows, he's spinning faster than Peter Mandelson's record player. But it will take a bit of time before everyone wakes up to this.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Hugh

His declared policies may be, but his actual action weren't.

Judge people by what they do, not just by what they say...

http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump...ented-workers/

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/20...n-workers.html

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news...reign-workers/

I'm prepared to judge him on whether he keeps to the promises he made in the election. Anyone who thinks Trump is free from past wrong doings is deluded.

But as far as I was concerned, the policies Trump was putting forward are essential to America. They were, in key areas, opposite to the policies that Obama pursued and Hillary would have taken further. Examples are:

Standing against globalism and upholding the sovereign nation state.
Strong borders and doing whatever is necessary to prevent radical Islamic terrorists entering the country.
Controlling Immigration
Taking definitive action against Mexican drug cartels (who also smuggle in ISIS terrorists)
Re-building US industry and the jobs attached to it, which had been outsourced to other countries for cheap labour reasons.
Trying to halt the liberal moral decline that had gone on under Obama and would have got worse under Hillary
His promise to sort out problems in the inner cities.
His intention to strengthen the military and increase support for Veterans.
His support for Israel
Draining the Washington swamp.
Rejecting multinational trade deals (back-door globalism, TPP. TTIP etc.)

Trump is an egotist and outspoken (clumsily at times). But I think in some ways you need someone 'full of himself' to drive through the above agenda.

Make no mistake, people who voted for him were fully aware of his faults (especially the Evangelical Christians) but decided that America needed so badly, the policies that Trump was advocating that they decided to look past the man himself.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Good point. Some people have fallen into the trap of thinking that because Trump says some politically incorrect things, that he's not spinning and is genuine. As your evidence shows, he's spinning faster than Peter Mandelson's record player. But it will take a bit of time before everyone wakes up to this.

I think you get really confused with what is evidence and what is a just a newspaper or online story. Reported stories are not necessarily evidence.

Either way, no he is not spinning because Trump's immigration policy is rightfully targeting illegal immigrants who commit a crime, he is not going after every single illegal immigrant.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by passingbat

He has promised to do fair trade deals with other countries.

Didn't the donald say the only deal he considers good is on in which he wins and everyone else loses, bodes well.

Originally Posted by passingbat

Re-building US industry and the jobs attached to it, which had been outsourced to other countries for cheap labour reasons.

His intention to strengthen the military

Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the jobs lost have been lost to automation not outsourcing, how's he going to bring back jobs that never actually went and why does the military need strengthening, it's already the most powerful with enough nuclear weapons to blow the planet into tiny pieces, I'd suggest the last thing they need to do is start another arms race with the amount of debt they're already saddled with.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Didn't the donald say the only deal he considers good is on in which he wins and everyone else loses, bodes well.

He has used the term 'fair deal' many times. He is angry at the bad deals Obama did; maybe that's the context for the expression you quoted? I think I'm right in saying that he's already saved a few million dollars of the price of the Airforce one replacement.

Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the jobs lost have been lost to automation not outsourcing, how's he going to bring back jobs that never actually went and why does the military need strengthening, it's already the most powerful with enough nuclear weapons to blow the planet into tiny pieces, I'd suggest the last thing they need to do is start another arms race with the amount of debt they're already saddled with.

Some companies have out sourced factories to countries with cheap labour. He has convinced some of those companies to instead build those factories in the US


Around 30 minutes in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXWBcDz3Y68


If people think the world will be war free in the coming years, I believe they are mistaken. (and it will be nothing to do with Brexit, as David Cameron inferred)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the jobs lost have been lost to automation not outsourcing.

I think people really underestimate how disruptive automation is going to be. Immigration is nothing compared to the coming chaos over automation - driving jobs, supermarkets and manufacturing will all be prime targets.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think people really underestimate how disruptive automation is going to be. Immigration is nothing compared to the coming chaos over automation - driving jobs, supermarkets and manufacturing will all be prime targets.

Slightly off-topic but I totally agree. Not just driving jobs, but all auto-related jobs including garages, mechanics, car showrooms etc will be impacted by electric and self-driving vehicles.
Adidas has recently onshored a factory to Germany but robots not people make the trainers. https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/21/...-speedfactory/

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Some companies have out sourced factories to countries with cheap labour. He has convinced some of those companies to instead build those factories in the US.

These are largely just companies re-announcing what they were planning to do anyway. Trump is fine with this as the re-announcements do him no harm and many will fall for it.

February 27th 2017

President Trump on Monday appeared to dismiss a question about his aides’ alleged ties to Russia by saying he hasn’t spoken to the country in a decade.

“I haven’t called Russia in 10 years,” he told a reporter who asked him whether a special prosecutor should carry out an investigation.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ia-in-10-years

February 9th 2017

In his first call as president with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump denounced a treaty that caps U.S. and Russian deployment of nuclear warheads as a bad deal for the United States, according to two U.S. officials and one former U.S. official with knowledge of the call.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN15O2A5?il=0

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

February 27th 2017

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ia-in-10-years

February 9th 2017 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN15O2A5?il=0

If I was one of the apologists for Trump, I would suggest that Trump was technically correct and that one of his aids called Putin or Putin called him.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Hugh

February 27th 2017

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ia-in-10-years

February 9th 2017 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN15O2A5?il=0

So beneath the usual quality of your contributions (and I'm not a Trump apologist, I'm a Hugh apologist )

Originally Posted by Kursk

So beneath the usual quality of your contributions (and I'm not a Trump apologist, I'm a Hugh apologist )

You need to stop making things personal. It only inflames things and doesn't contribute.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

You need to stop making things personal. It only inflames things and doesn't contribute.

So can I not make the same type of comment as you have just done?

Originally Posted by Hugh

February 27th 2017

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ia-in-10-years

February 9th 2017 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN15O2A5?il=0

It did not take a genius to figure out what Trump actually meant here. He means he did not call Russia before he became President, stop looking for fake holes.

You also have not answered my post from a few pages back.

Originally Posted by Kursk

So can I not make the same type of comment as you have just done?

I'm just saying there is no need to go after the poster. Go after the content. If you go after the poster the discussion doesn't have anywhere to go.

Anyway back on topic Trump is doing his 'sorta' state of the union today: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=45787395

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

I'm just saying there is no need to go after the poster. Go after the content. If you go after the poster the discussion doesn't have anywhere to go.

Anyway back on topic Trump is doing his 'sorta' state of the union today: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=45787395

Strewth, I can barely say boo on this forum without some kind of rebuke. Hugh and I have enough rappport to overcome small digs (either way). And I did 'go after the content'.