U.S President: Donald Trump - Page 6

Osem · 08-02-2017, 18:15

Alternative facts, fake news, spin - all part of the same deception used, in all likelihood, by every government there's every been. Only the method of delivery is different. We're in a world in which the masses can and will believe what they choose to because there'll always be someone or something at hand to confirm the 'facts' the prefer.

We're living in a world in which govt. is going to be increasingly influenced by social media and which particular topics become the most 'viral' regardless of the veracity of the 'facts' presented.

1andrew1 · 08-02-2017, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456

I don't care how the authorities calculate the murder rate, I am talking about public perception.

Joe Public looks at the number not the statistics. Trump could well be looking at it the same way IDK.

The key indicator for the success of a hotel is its occupancy rate. Hotels are Trump's business so he knows what a rate is even if you believe the public don't.

---------- Post added at 17:18 ---------- Previous post was at 17:15 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456

Yemen Withdraws Permission for U.S. Antiterror Ground Missions

Now let me get this right. The military wanted to carry out this raid but Obama wouldn't sanction it preferring to leave it up to Trump.

Trump said OK as the military had planned it all and (presumably) made the decision based on what the military had informed him.

The operation went pear shaped and it's Trump's fault?

WTF.

Obama judged the raid not to be sensible so decided against it. Trump decided differently with catastrophic results. Ultimately, it's his fault but he's learning that you can't delegate things in the way that you can in business.

08-02-2017, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456

Yemen Withdraws Permission for U.S. Antiterror Ground Missions

Now let me get this right. The military wanted to carry out this raid but Obama wouldn't sanction it preferring to leave it up to Trump.

Trump said OK as the military had planned it all and (presumably) made the decision based on what the military had informed him.

The operation went pear shaped and it's Trump's fault?

WTF.

Yes because Trump is the commander in chief also there is this from your link

Quote:

His approval of the Jan. 29 raid came over a dinner four nights earlier with his top national security aides, rather than in the kind of rigorous review in the Situation Room that became fairly routine under President George W. Bush and Mr. Obama.

1andrew1 · 08-02-2017, 18:45

Here's a bit of background on how Trump was persuaded to agree to the Yemen raid by his staff. .

Donald Trump's staff get him to agree to policies by saying 'Obama wouldn't have done it'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7566861.html

However, Pip may have been a little hasty in describing the raid which missed its target and killed 30 civilians and one US Navy SEAL as having gone "pear-shaped". According to the White House, it was “a successful operation by all standards”.

08-02-2017, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Here's a bit of background on how Trump was persuaded to agree to the Yemen raid by his staff. .

Donald Trump's staff get him to agree to policies by saying 'Obama wouldn't have done it'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7566861.html

However, Pip may have been a little hasty in describing the raid which missed its target and killed 30 civilians and one US Navy SEAL as having gone "pear-shaped". According to the White House, it was “a successful operation by all standards”.

So given that Trump and his staff are always truthful and "tell it like it is" the only conclusion to be drawn is that the US meant to kill the civilians and children.

**Mick** · 08-02-2017, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh

Not my opinion Mick ,Trump made the statement himself

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/2...paign-strategy

Perhaps I should have highlighted where I was aiming the 'Your opinion at'. You said his record is bad so far, that is where I aiming 'that's your opinion', not at what he said during his campaign.

I say your opinion, because he is doing everything he said he would do on the campaign trail, which of course he was democratically elected on, so I would say all his supporters and the people who voted for him would heavily disagree with you.

As for the Travel ban, which others like to call it.... shock horror:-

55% of Europeans agree with Trump's Immigration Restriction, only 20% disagreed with it, 25% neither agreed or disagreed or was not sure of it....

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Independent

Most Europeans want immigration ban from Muslim-majority countries, poll reveals

47 per cent of Britons want to stop immigration from Muslim majority countries

A majority of Europeans want a ban on immigration from Muslim-majority countries, a poll has revealed.

An average of 55 per cent of people across the 10 European countries surveyed wanted to stop all future immigration from mainly Muslim countries.

The Chatham House study, conducted before US President Donald Trump signed an executive order banning immigration to the US from seven predominantly Muslim countries, found majorities in all but two of the ten states opposed immigration from mainly Muslim countries.

<snip>

In no country did more than 32 per cent disagree with a ban.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7567301.html

Kursk · 08-02-2017, 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh

....the only conclusion to be drawn is that the US meant to kill the civilians and children.

For godness sake martyh is that really worth posting?

08-02-2017, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk

For godness sake martyh is that really worth posting?

What's the matter ,don't you like it when Trump shows what a completely useless asshat he is

---------- Post added at 18:17 ---------- Previous post was at 18:13 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick

Perhaps I should have highlighted where I was aiming the 'Your opinion at'. You said his record is bad so far, that is where I aiming 'that's your opinion', not at what he said during his campaign.

I say your opinion, because he is doing everything he said he would do on the campaign trail, which of course he was democratically elected on, so I would say all his supporters and the people who voted for him would heavily disagree with you.

There is loads of stuff showing where trump has lied ,exaggerated,or 'forgot' about his election promises so it's not just my opinion

**Mick** · 08-02-2017, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh

There is loads of stuff showing where trump has lied ,exaggerated,or 'forgot' about his election promises so it's not just my opinion

Which Election promises has he forgot about ?

And yes it is just your opinion.

1andrew1 · 08-02-2017, 19:32

Overall, I do think Trump appears to be trying to deliver on his promises, perhaps more so than many commentators expected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick

Which Election promises has he forgot about ?
And yes it is just your opinion.

What he has not delivered on is not to put Hillary Clinton behind bars. He didn't forget about her, he just changed his mind once he'd won the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-jail-dropped

**Mick** · 08-02-2017, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Overall, I do think Trump appears to be trying to deliver on his promises, perhaps more so than many commentators expected.

What he has not delivered on is not to put Hillary Clinton behind bars. He didn't forget about her, he just changed his mind once he'd won the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-jail-dropped

Wow, that's one, martyh, gave the impression there was loads he had forgot, round about the same as he was having a silly OTT outburst towards Kursk.

1andrew1 · 08-02-2017, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick

Wow, that's one, martyh, gave the impression there was loads he had forgot, round about the same as he was having a silly OTT outburst towards Kursk.

Doubtless there are more. For example, the wall will now be US-funded and Trump will try and figure out a way to get Mexico to pay for it but good luck with that! I didn't see any outbursts from Kursk or martyh but I'm more interested in the debate.

08-02-2017, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick

Wow, that's one, martyh, gave the impression there was loads he had forgot, round about the same as he was having a silly OTT outburst towards Kursk.

What OTT outburst,

1andrew1 · 08-02-2017, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh

What OTT outburst,

There wasn't one, it's just a dead cat tactic.

pip08456 · 08-02-2017, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh

So given that Trump and his staff are always truthful and "tell it like it is" the only conclusion to be drawn is that the US meant to kill the civilians and children.

So, the Pentagon come up with a plan that Obama didn't wish to sign off on preferring it to be left to his successor, his succsseor is advised by the Pentagon that the plan is sound and has a high success probability. He then, based on the advice of the Pentagon (and others) gives the OK.

It's not the first time the US has co*ked up in military operations and not always the fault of whoever is in power. Planning and operation is down to the Pentagon and if a President cannot trust their judgement then they should be replaced.