Post-Brexit Thread

[heero_yuy]

Asked about May's statement that "no deal is better than a bad deal" 48% of the public agree, compared to 17% who would rather have a bad deal than no deal at all. 55% of people said that May should be prepared to walk away.

Yougov polls 18th January

Looks like the public are in favor of hard Brexit.

Andrew, you really need to stop posting crappy artlicles that hold no basis whatsoever as to why or how people voted the way they did. Posting crap like that is just being provocative. It's another attempt to try and justify and ridicule brexiteers.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Yougov polls 18th January

Looks like the public are in favor of hard Brexit.

Good. Common sense prevails.

[Pierre]

Unless a census has been taken of how people voted and why along with detail of who those people were and their background - which I'm sure hasn't been done - then any "study" is just a whole load of assumptions.

Which doesn't tell you anything.

It's not a study showing why people voted the way they did but the demographics of the areas that did. It's not too different to the wider picture that we knew from the night. I don't see the harm in better understanding the demographics of the vote.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not a study showing why people voted the way they did but the demographics of the areas that did. It's not too different to the wider picture that we knew from the night. I don't see the harm in better understanding the demographics of the vote.

Hardly a representative study with less than half of the councils responding.
Not even a study but a breakdown by our luvvie BBC. Not that I would accuse them of bias.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Hmmmmmmmmmm, so educated, young , multicultural voted remain.

Pretty descriptive of liberal luvvies.

To quote Mick, "Posting crap like that is just being provocative"

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

To quote Mick, "Posting crap like that is just being provocative"

How would you describe liberal luvvies then?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Andrew, you really need to stop posting crappy artlicles that hold no basis whatsoever as to why or how people voted the way they did. Posting crap like that is just being provocative. It's another attempt to try and justify and ridicule brexiteers. .

Mick,
1) I do not post crappy articles and I find your description inflammatory and disappointing. I do not need to justify the credentials of the BBC to you or anyone. It is an authoritative source.
2) Why do you think the article is provocative? If you feel the article is provocative then please state why you feel that it is and don't shoot the messenger. If you can do this effectively then people's views on the article may change. Calling it crap does not generally work unless you're preaching to the converted which serves little purpose.
3) I am not ridiculing anyone. I've good friends who voted both ways and feel strongly about their views. There's nothing in there that would offend them.
4) Please do not try and read my mind. My objective is to contribute useful discussion points to the debate. We all fail in this area from time to time but this is not one of those occasions for me.

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Originally Posted by Damien

It's not a study showing why people voted the way they did but the demographics of the areas that did. It's not too different to the wider picture that we knew from the night. I don't see the harm in better understanding the demographics of the vote.

I honestly don't see the harm in such analysis either and personally I find it interesting.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by pip08456

How would you describe liberal luvvies then?

Why must you attach pejorative labels to people who hold different views to you?

[pip08456]

If generation snowflake is offended I'm sure they will put me on their ignore list to save their sensitivities being hurt.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

If generation snowflake is offended I'm sure they will put me on their ignore list to save their sensitivities being hurt.

That wasn't the question though Pip. The question you were asked was "Why must you attach pejorative labels to people who hold different views to you?"

[pip08456]

It was an opinion on the "useful" article you posted.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

It was an opinion on the "useful" article you posted.

So what's the answer to the question posed by ianch99, namely "Why must you attach pejorative labels to people who hold different views to you?"

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Mick,

2) Why do you think the article is provocative? If you feel the article is provocative then please state why you feel that it is and don't shoot the messenger. If you can do this effectively then people's views on the article may change. Calling it crap does not generally work unless you're preaching to the converted which serves little purpose.

It's a thin veiled attempt, by the left leaning BBC, which really no longer holds a justifiable reason as to why people need a TV license to keep that thing going, cannot remember the last time I watched anything on any of the BBC channels.

That article is basically discussing Educational Traits as if it is some kind of scientific concept as to why people voted the way they did.

If we really need to know why people voted for brexit, the way they did.....

• 1) They want out of the failing EU.
• 2) They are fed up with open borders to all and sundry. Migration levels that were meant to kept to tens of thousands is way over hundreds of thousands, it's alright people saying let them in blah blah, people in the North of the country are fed up, because it seems those who live in posh areas, down south are not getting their fair share of migrants coming to live in their community and are usually the ones jumping on the 'let them in' bandwagon, cheeky hypocrites that they are.
• 3) They want their Countries Sovereignty back. Laws made and created in this country.
• 4) That we can freely trade with who we want.
• 5) Our Fishing Industry was suffering badly and the EU fish quota being put on and other EU members coming in to our Waters to fish.
• 6) Massive feelings of being left behind by Government, Northern Districts being badly under funded, areas being neglected and run down. Made some people consider voting Brexit a protest vote.

Plus many other reasons apply, it is nothing to do with levels of Education or how well one area is 'smarter' than another.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

4) Please do not try and read my mind. My objective is to contribute useful discussion points to the debate. We all fail in this area from time to time but this is not one of those occasions for me.

I have no interest is mind reading anybody, my post was solely aimed at you posting stuff up, that went on about levels of Education with voters. We cannot keep blaming education or side stepping all the other viable reasons as to why people voted the way they did.

[Julian]

So the bbc waste licence payers' money trying to pigeonhole people who don't conform to their way of thinking, SHOCK HORROR!