Post-Brexit Thread

SNP (and Kenneth Clarke) lose battle to block Brexit Bill : Majority 236.

For 100
Against 336

So many MP's abstain here that seems a low turn out.

Embarassing for cameron this coming out and shows how far he was prepared to go to get what he wanted while i have zero time for the mail and think it's a lousy rag kudos to them for not giving in to what was probably a great deal of pressure.

Bill has passed with huge majority.

[Gavin78]

So what do we do about this 60 billion Euro to exit out? should we tell Europe to go screw

Originally Posted by Gavin78

So what do we do about this 60 billion Euro to exit out? should we tell Europe to go screw

All part of negotiations now. I don't think that's a realistic proposition but I can see us paying something depending what we get in return.

[papa smurf]

so what do you call an MP that votes against the will of the majority of the people that they claim to represent ? is there a term we should use to describe them from now on .

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

so what do you call an MP that votes against the will of the majority of the people that they claim to represent ? is there a term we should use to describe them from now on .

'Turncoat' is a polite term. I can think of others with stars * in .

Well that's got that distraction out of the way now the SNP can go back to scotland and try to encourage them to demand another independence referendum and the others can go back to obscurity.

[papa smurf]

Gina Miller wants to work with Government to help negotiate Brexit departure deal

Speaking to DW, she said: “I would really like the Government or the ministers to be more transparent and to be more consultative with people such as myself, business people, people in financial services and different industries to understand the full impact of the different scenarios that Brexit could bring, and the different negotiation packages that could be achieved.”


this lovely woman is so selfless in her quest to help .


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761...t-negotiations

I'm really not sure how to take gina miller one minute she's a fighter for democracy and the next a victim of harassment and threats which if they were half as bad as she made out after winning her case she'd step back but instead she thinks the UK government should work with her so she can explain the impact of brexit. I'm starting to think there's a lot more motivating her then any real sense of democracy or whats in the national interest and she is coming across as quite arrogant. She won her case and got supposedly what she wanted time for her to poddle off and leave brexit in the hands of government.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I'm really not sure how to take gina miller one minute she's a fighter for democracy and the next a victim of harassment and threats which if they were half as bad as she made out after winning her case she'd step back but instead she thinks the UK government should work with her so she can explain the impact of brexit. I'm starting to think there's a lot more motivating her then any real sense of democracy or whats in the national interest and she is coming across as quite arrogant. She won her case and got supposedly what she wanted time for her to poddle off and leave brexit in the hands of government.

Those aren't contradictory. She 'fights for democracy' and then gets threats for it.

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

so what do you call an MP that votes against the will of the majority of the people that they claim to represent ? is there a term we should use to describe them from now on .

Don't forget though that some MP's represent constituencies that voted heavily in favour of remain. So do they follow the will of the country or the people that voted for them?

I think MPs should vote for it personally. If you put it out to a referendum then you've explicitly chosen to forgo your own judgement in favor of the people. Those who didn't vote for the referendum could in good conscience not vote for Brexit I guess.

However MPs aren't actually bound by it nor do they have to vote for what's popular in their own constituencies. The theoretical idea is they represent us but are meant to use their own judgement as well.

---------- Post added at 11:32 ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 ----------

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Don't forget though that some MP's represent constituencies that voted heavily in favour of remain. So do they follow the will of the country or the people that voted for them?

Yeah they could have the wrath of their own electorates too. Remember this was a close run thing so many MPs are caught between a rock and a hard place.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Those aren't contradictory. She 'fights for democracy' and then gets threats for it.

People get all sorts of threats for all sorts of things thanks in large part to our social media obsessed society. No it's not very nice but that's the world in which we now live. Thankfully 99.99% of 'threats' so issued amount to no more that a lot of unpleasant hot air but if you're going to expose your views openly on such contentious issues it is now to be expected. Ask Farage about it.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Osem

So it appears Cameron was so convinced about the power of his pro-EU argument that he tried to have the Daily Mail's editor sacked

Obviously learnt a thing or two from Turkeys president