Post-Brexit Thread

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

she's implementing the will of the people not defying it we voted out .

Indeed and in full knowledge* of the potential consequences. What's needed now is strength and a solid position. I believe we should be negociating trade deals with other countries now in spite of the EU. What can they do? We're leaving and if necessary slamming the door.

*as the remoaners told us.

Speech will be at 11:45 in case anyone else was wondering.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Indeed and in full knowledge* of the potential consequences. What's needed now is strength and a solid position. I believe we should be negociating trade deals with other countries now in spite of the EU. What can they do? We're leaving and if necessary slamming the door.

*as the remoaners told us.

Countries negotiating trade deals with us want to know what trade deal we have with the EU before they negotiate trade deals with us. That's the biggest stumbling block, not anything the EU can tell us to do or not tell us to do. The Government is aware of this.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Speech will be at 11:45 in case anyone else was wondering.

Channel 132, sorry 605 and presumably all the news channels too.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Countries negotiating trade deals with us want to know what trade deal we have with the EU before they negotiate trade deals with us.
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And you know this how? Are you a trade negotiator or is this merely your opinion?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

And you know this how? Are you a trade negotiator or is this merely your opinion?

It's a fact not an opinion.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a fact not an opinion.

Citation please.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Citation please.

He won't be able to find one.

Parliament will be given a vote on the deal it seems....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a fact not an opinion.

no it isn't

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Citation please.

Pleased to oblige.

1. "Technically therefore, the quickest we would be able to get a deal is by 2019, but it is very unlikely to be that quick, not least because the deal the UK ends up doing with the EU would have an impact on the deal it gets with the US."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38639638

2. With other countries reluctant to get involved in detailed discussions until Britain's future ties with the European Union are clear, and a lack of negotiators in London ready to begin talks, any firm deals could be years away."
"Nobody with any sense from China, the U.S., Brazil or wherever is going to engage with the UK other than a friendly drink in the bar until the UK has a regime with the EU," retired British trade negotiator Roderick Abbott told Reuters.

"That gives them the yardstick against which you negotiate," said Abbott, who during his more than 40-year career worked on trade for the British government, the European Commission and the World Trade Organisation (WTO).
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN11D1CR

3. May and her team strike an optimistic tone, highlighting nations which have said they are keen to do deals. But behind the scenes, countries are pragmatic.

A senior diplomat from a developed country with which Britain has suggested negotiating a deal said the EU was a more important partner, so any deal with Britain would depend on how it affected his country's trade with the EU.

"They want to talk to us. We're always happy to talk trade. But frankly there isn't much we can seriously talk about in detail, which is really what trade deals are all about, until we know what their relationship will be with the EU," he said, on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN11D1CR

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Originally Posted by Pierre

no it isn't

Citation please.

So far:

• There will be a vote on the agreemeent
• We will leave single market
• A new deal might retain some elements of the single market, maybe including contributions
• Leaving Customs Union - kind of. Not clear.
• Staying in the common travel area 'a priority'
• Government implementing price controls on Freddo bars to keep them at 10p

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

May defies will of the people

[1andrew1]

Margaret Thatcher's speech on the single market, 1988

"It's your job, the job of business, to gear yourselves up to take the opportunities which a single market of nearly 320 million people will offer.

Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people.

Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it.

It's not a dream. It's not a vision. It's not some bureaucrat's plan. It's for real."

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Pleased to oblige.

1. "Technically therefore, the quickest we would be able to get a deal is by 2019, but it is very unlikely to be that quick, not least because the deal the UK ends up doing with the EU would have an impact on the deal it gets with the US."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38639638

Opinion

2. With other countries reluctant to get involved in detailed discussions until Britain's future ties with the European Union are clear, and a lack of negotiators in London ready to begin talks, any firm deals could be years away."
"Nobody with any sense from China, the U.S., Brazil or wherever is going to engage with the UK other than a friendly drink in the bar until the UK has a regime with the EU," retired British trade negotiator Roderick Abbott told Reuters.

"That gives them the yardstick against which you negotiate," said Abbott, who during his more than 40-year career worked on trade for the British government, the European Commission and the World Trade Organisation (WTO).
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN11D1CR

Opinion

3. May and her team strike an optimistic tone, highlighting nations which have said they are keen to do deals. But behind the scenes, countries are pragmatic.

A senior diplomat from a developed country with which Britain has suggested negotiating a deal said the EU was a more important partner, so any deal with Britain would depend on how it affected his country's trade with the EU.

"They want to talk to us. We're always happy to talk trade. But frankly there isn't much we can seriously talk about in detail, which is really what trade deals are all about, until we know what their relationship will be with the EU," he said, on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN11D1CR

Opinion
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Your "FACT" ends up being based on nothing more than opinion.

Try again to find it factually. It should keep you occupied for a long time.

[figgyburn]

Brilliant Mrs May.What's that noise i hear,tiny Tim Farron from the inconsequential libdems crying foul.Lets get on with it.