Post-Brexit Thread

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by martyh

.I personally have found the BBC's reporting on the EU referendum quite fair.

rofl.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The BBC is maybe the only true independent media we have left.

Big maybe!


http://news-watch.co.uk/bbc-brexit-c...eaving-the-eu/

I don't trust any of the media including the bbc none of them are content anymore to simply report events they try to shape events and misrepresent events with growing regularity. I cannot stand murdoch and despise him even more then i despise the bbc and when the day comes when the bbc has to survive without our money i most certainly won't miss it.

[Mr K]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38498839

The UK's top diplomat in Brussels, Sir Ivan Rogers, has resigned.

Probably guilty of telling minsters the facts; facts that they don't like.

[heero_yuy]

like:

Brexit boost: Hard Brexit will lead to a 400,000 jobs bonanza

Lord Digby Jones believes that new trade deals will provide a job bonanza in Britain

Analysis of eight potential trade deals that could be agreed once the UK quits the European Union uncovered massive potential for employment growth across the country.

More than 100,000 of the new vacancies could be opened up in manufacturing industries including car making, shipbuilding and aircraft production by a hard Brexit.

The research, published by the Brexit-supporting pressure group Change Britain, is expected to strengthen calls for the Government to ensure a full break with Brussels rather than a watered-down so-called “soft Brexit”.

Change Britain founding supporter Lord Digby Jones, a former minister and business leader, said: “The UK has a rich history as a great trading nation. It is therefore no surprise that a number of major economies have already expressed an interest in striking free trade agreements with us.

“The only way we can make the most of these huge opportunities is to leave the EU’s customs union and take back control of our trade policy.

“We can then take our place as one of the global champions of free trade.”

Source

[1andrew1]

Pro-Brexit group struggles with basic economics.

A report which claimed that a ‘Hard Brexit’ would create 400,000 jobs was based on ‘entirely fictional statistics’

Economist Jonathan Portes has described as "entirely fictional" claims that leaving the customs union as part of a "hard Brexit" could create nearly 400,000 jobs.

The claims were made by pro-Brexit think tank Change Britain, which is backed by prominent Leave campaigner Michael Gove.

"The point of trade deals is to increase exports to the countries we make deals with and imports from the countries we make deals with, because we reduce barriers to trade," he said.

"Change Britain are counting the number of jobs they claim would be created by extra exports, but just ignoring jobs that would be lost by extra imports. That obviously makes no sense."

"In practice most economists would expect jobs created from free trade deals — they are a good thing — to be balanced out by the jobs they destroy. This is basic economics," he added.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/jonath...17-1?r=US&IR=T

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Originally Posted by Mr K

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38498839

Probably guilty of telling minsters the facts; facts that they don't like.

Surely they'll give the role to Nigel Farage? He was only passing around the Ferrero Rochers the other day!
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-11-23/n...bassador-joke/

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Gotta love predictions for 2030 when most experts struggle to be right a couple of years from now yet come brexit we have all these predictions of gloom how do all those countries outside the EU manage to survive. Honestly no one has the first damn clue about whats actually going to happen it's all guesswork most of it driven by whatever side they are on it's boring and predictable. Until we are out and have a trading position in place no one can predict doom and gloom or rainbows and unicorns far too many volatile factors that haven't been set yet and that ignores the problems the EU is going to have in the coming years which may end up making brexit look like a genius move on our part. The way so many remain supporters completely ignore the gaping problems the EU is facing and insist it's the only way to a prosperous future is truly incomprehensible.

Countries outside the EU are irrelevant as the problem isn't actually surviving outside the EU, but having to renegotiate potentially tens of thousands of agreements. No other country is in that position. We are the first to leave the EU.

Bearing that in mind, it's actually logical to prepare for the worst case scenario and hope that it doesn't happen rather than prepare for some bonanza which may or not happen, and hope that it does. This is, as I understand it, what the experts are actually doing. If you prepare for the worst case and it doesn't happen, you've lost nothing, and may actually cope better than if you prepared for the best case and it didn't happen. On the other hand, if you prepare for the worst case, and the best case happens, you have profited.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Well the BBC is biased either way depending on who you ask.
E.g.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/polit...reporting/amp/

Everyone is biased one way or another, however in an organisation as big as the BBC it usually balances out. The BBC is maybe the only true independent media we have left. Politicians from all sides have tried to bully it. We'll be sorry when it's gone. Do you trust Murdoch's Sky more?

That's why I think the BBC is actually the closest we have to a balanced media outlet. I am sure it has it's own biases, but the fact that every political party (and both Leave and Remain campaigns) have complained it is biased against them means, I think it's probably relatively impartial.

That said, I still do question the important stuff they publish, like the articles about Brexit.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I don't trust any of the media including the bbc none of them are content anymore to simply report events they try to shape events and misrepresent events with growing regularity. I cannot stand murdoch and despise him even more then i despise the bbc and when the day comes when the bbc has to survive without our money i most certainly won't miss it.

They've always been biased. The difference is now is that with the net you can access many different news sites, so at least you can balance one with another.

I tend to find Reuters reasonably balanced, but there's always spin with them all.

Today on Sky News they're saying civil war is about to break out over Brexit because the country is supposedly totally disunited.... Strange, I've never found an occasion before where the country (NOT London) is so universally united.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Horizon

They've always been biased. The difference is now is that with the net you can access many different news sites, so at least you can balance one with another.

I tend to find Reuters reasonably balanced, but there's always spin with them all.

Today on Sky News they're saying civil war is about to break out over Brexit because the country is supposedly totally disunited.... Strange, I've never found an occasion before where the country (NOT London) is so universally united.

Not even close to being true:

[techguyone]

Scotland because : English people

London because it's full of non english people.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Scotland because : English people

London because it's full of non english people.

.. but the point is being missed, Horizon said "... where the country (NOT London) is so universally united"

couldn't be further from the truth, as Mrs May recently pointed out.

Unless ~50% is the new definition of "united"

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Ok, don't be a coward. Who are these people on this forum who "employ the most appalling abuse, intimidation and worse in pursuit of their goals whilst at the same time playing victim whenever it suits"?

Come on name names and show us evidence of your claims?

If you can't, take the chip off your shoulder and debate the points raised like an adult ..

Still waiting .....

No wait, you just made it up .. as usual, no evidence to back up the (endless) complaining.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Mr K

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38498839



Probably guilty of telling minsters the facts; facts that they don't like.

That or being guilty of being a remainer.

Originally Posted by techguyone

London because it's full of non english people.

They would have been British (or from the commonwealth or Ireland) in order to vote.

[techguyone]

Oh yes I'm sure. Thankfully we had the vote when we did, another 5 or so years of the British londoners would have killed it dead.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38498839



Probably guilty of telling minsters the facts; facts that they don't like.

Probably guilty of being appointed by the lily-livered ass-hole who ran away when the referendum vote went against him.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Probably guilty of being appointed by the lily-livered ass-hole who ran away when the referendum vote went against him.

Would you have preferred for Cameron to have remained PM?