Post-Brexit Thread

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

that idea won't float

Reports in the FT today saying that the Government is getting close to business again. Unlike Gove and Farage, it's been running its slide rule over the figures and realises that a sudden hard Brexit would cause large scale economic and social problems which are not what people voted for. Hopefully a sane, soft Brexit will prevail.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Reports in the FT today saying that the Government is getting close to business again. Unlike Gove and Farage, it's been running its slide rule over the figures and realises that a sudden hard Brexit would cause large scale economic and social problems which are not what people voted for. Hopefully a sane, soft Brexit will prevail.

i haven't seen a slide rule since the seventies its out of date tech- no one wants to work it out ,these days we have buttons to press with instant answers

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Reports in the FT today saying that the Government is getting close to business again. Unlike Gove and Farage, it's been running its slide rule over the figures and realises that a sudden hard Brexit would cause large scale economic and social problems which are not what people voted for. Hopefully a sane, soft Brexit will prevail.

Some would say that a 'soft' Brexit would mean little change, with us still remaining within the common market or customs union. Others see it as a smooth transition to where we want to be. And of course there are shades of opinion in between.

We are unlikely to achieve the former because apparantly we have to be 'punished' for having the audacity to pull out of this nightmare organisation and we would have to accept free movement and contributions to the EU for the 'privilege' of tariff free trading with Europe. Additionally, if we continue to belong to the customs union, we would have to apply tariffs to countries outside the EU. None of that was what the majority of British people voted for and therefore it will simply not do.

The latter I could tolerate if all it meant was a two or three year transitional period to allow us to set up new trade deals and to put in place measures designed to soften any financial impact of this major change for businesses to cope with. Attempts to avoid a dangerous 'cliff edge' are perfectly acceptable, given that EU rules prohibit us from forging trade deals while still a member of the EU.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Some would say that a 'soft' Brexit would mean little change, with us still remaining within the common market or customs union. Others see it as a smooth transition to where we want to be. And of course there are shades of opinion in between.

We are unlikely to achieve the former because apparantly we have to be 'punished' for having the audacity to pull out of this nightmare organisation and we would have to accept free movement and contributions to the EU for the 'privilege' of tariff free trading with Europe. Additionally, if we continue to belong to the customs union, we would have to apply tariffs to countries outside the EU. None of that was what the majority of British people voted for and therefore it will simply not do.

The latter I could tolerate if all it meant was a two or three year transitional period to allow us to set up new trade deals and to put in place measures designed to soften any financial impact of this major change for businesses to cope with. Attempts to avoid a dangerous 'cliff edge' are perfectly acceptable, given that EU rules prohibit us from forging trade deals while still a member of the EU.

Since the majority of British people did not vote to Leave, the best course is to minimise the financial impact on the country as a whole.

After all, you cannot punish the whole country to satisfy the zealousness of the minority. There are those who are willing to pay any price, on our behalf, to achieve their aims. I am glad to see that so far, the PM is ignoring them ..

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Linky

I know we should be wary of polls but it looks like Brexit is gaining further favour with the public.

There's a difference between wanting Brexit, and wanting a quick Brexit - quite a few people I know don't want a Brexit, but now that it has been decided we are having one, they want it to be done as quickly as possible to minimise uncertainty and to allow everyone to plan and move on.

Here is the actual question that was asked

Respondents to the survey were asked whether they agree or disagree with the statement that the Government should trigger Article 50 “as soon as possible and get on with implementing the result of the referendum to take Britain out of the EU and in doing so take back control of our borders, laws, money and trade”.

I have to agree - it's going to happen, so let's get it done.

[1andrew1]

Theresa May heading for major Brexit battle over 'divorce bill' that could last many years, say leading academics
Britain faces a monumental tussle with the EU that could last years beyond Theresa May’s 2019 Brexit target and involve bitter court rows over unpaid bills, a group of academics has warned.

LSE professor Iain Begg, among the group, said: "I suspect that the money issue is going to be far more potent than has been allowed so far. We've heard whisperings of a £50bn to £60bn divorce bill coming out of the negotiations.

He went on: "[European Commissioner Michel] Barnier comes along and says 'Here's a bill for €60bn’. Britain says ‘get lost'. Barnier says, ‘if you don't pay, we'll sue you'. 'Fine, sue us'. That's the kind of contest it could end up being, which people haven't really envisaged."

Angus Armstrong of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, said there was "little or no evidence that EU member states have moved beyond their reflexive - and understandable - rejection of the UK's desire to 'have its cake and eat it'."

He argued that the key moment in Brexit talks will not be Ms May's tabling of Article 50, but the EU's response to it.

He said: "If the continental consensus is that the UK is still living on fantasy island, we could be heading for a showdown sooner than anyone expects."

London School of Economics assistant professor Sara Hagemann said that Ms May's post-referendum tour of EU capitals "seems to have generated little support for the British cause".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7491291.html

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Since the majority of British people did not vote to Leave, the best course is to minimise the financial impact on the country as a whole.

After all, you cannot punish the whole country to satisfy the zealousness of the minority. There are those who are willing to pay any price, on our behalf, to achieve their aims. I am glad to see that so far, the PM is ignoring them ..

12,949,258 didn't vote either way but feel free to try to bolster your argument with them .again and again and again

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Since the majority of British people did not vote to Leave, the best course is to minimise the financial impact on the country as a whole.

After all, you cannot punish the whole country to satisfy the zealousness of the minority. There are those who are willing to pay any price, on our behalf, to achieve their aims. I am glad to see that so far, the PM is ignoring them ..

The majority of voters did vote to leave and no-one knows whether the split was the same amongst non-voters.

If you don't vote, you don't get a say anyway.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

12,949,258 didn't vote either way but feel free to try to bolster your argument with them .again and again and again

No need to "bolster" facts.

The majority of British people did not vote to Leave

is a fact. Deal with it ...

It's also a fact that the majority of the British people didn't vote to remain. Deal with it ...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The majority of voters did vote to leave and no-one knows whether the split was the same amongst non-voters.

If you don't vote, you don't get a say anyway.

Agreed. Just stop saying that the "majority of British people voted for" Leave ... they did not.

[techguyone]

They did. Those that were eligible and who actually bothered to vote.

So stop being a dick about it and wind your neck in.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Agreed. Just stop saying that the "majority of British people voted for" Leave ... they did not.

Technically correct, but a piece of pedantry that has little relevance except perhaps to try to de-legitimise the referendum result.

Democratic votes are decided by those who turn up and put a X in one of the available boxes. Everybody understands that, whether they vote or not.

To fail to vote, or to deliberately spoil a ballot paper, is to consciously put the choice into the hands of others.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

Technically correct, but a piece of pedantry that has little relevance except perhaps to try to de-legitimise the referendum result.

Democratic votes are decided by those who turn up and put a X in one of the available boxes. Everybody understands that, whether they vote or not.

To fail to vote, or to deliberately spoil a ballot paper, is to consciously put the choice into the hands of others.

Disagree, it has all the relevance in the world. Firstly, it misrepresents the perceived "will of the country" as a whole. If you go about claiming that Brexit "was what the majority of British people voted for" you are just plain wrong and, more importantly, you misrepresent the reality of where we are today.

The UK is divided and, as Gary would say, Dave divided it. Mrs May has the unenviable job of trying to unify this divided nation and she will not do that that pandering only to the views of one side or the other.

She must find a middle ground and both sides must make compromises in finding a Brexit solution that causes the least economic damage but still fulfilling the referendum decision to leave the EU.

[heero_yuy]

Vast majority of the population didn't vote for the last Labour government but I bet you were really happy.