Unstoppable migration? - Page 125

10-12-2016, 01:49

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

How about we don't, call me a mad, delusional, fool but I kinda like serious criminals to be doing jail time rather than getting a free flight to the destination of their choice

If you can guarantee it's *hard* labour for 20hrs a day, with no tv, library or ANY privileges whatsoever then fair enough....else get them out of here.

TheDaddy · 10-12-2016, 07:35

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Originally Posted by OhReally

If you can guarantee it's *hard* labour for 20hrs a day, with no tv, library or ANY privileges whatsoever then fair enough....else get them out of here.

Don't understand why you don't want criminals to be punished

10-12-2016, 09:36

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Don't understand why you don't want criminals to be punished

Don't see why we should pay £100k a year to keep them in jail (comfy hotel) was the point.

**Hugh** · 10-12-2016, 12:22

About £33k per prisoner per year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-per-place.pdf[COLOR="Silver"]

I think you will find most jails are not 'comfy hotels'...

Pierre · 10-12-2016, 12:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh

About £33k per prisoner per year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-per-place.pdf[COLOR="Silver"]

I think you will find most jails are not 'comfy hotels'...

About the same as B&B in a premier inn everyday then.

10-12-2016, 23:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh

About £33k per prisoner per year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-per-place.pdf[COLOR="Silver"]

I think you will find most jails are not 'comfy hotels'...

I know two prison officers (Cat B) and life for the cons is cushy. Go to hospital or doctor? No queue for you, immediately in, bypassing us mugs who have been waiting for hours.

Smash up your telly, immediate replacement, I could go on...

**Hugh** · 11-12-2016, 00:12

And they have no agenda....

Doesn't change the fact it doesn't cost £100k per year per prisoner

You're entitled to your opinion, but facts are facts.

11-12-2016, 03:45

Well on the doctors front i've had more then one consultant's appointment cancelled as I've been sitting in the waiting room because of a prisoner needing to be seen straight away. All the prison officers i know granted it's only about twenty all state that prisoners have it way way too easy now compared to thirty years ago. A christmas menu was leaked last year and the poor sod's had to make do with vichyssoise and prawn cocktail for starters and fillet mignon and lobster for entree yeah life is hell for them these days.

TheDaddy · 11-12-2016, 07:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh

About £33k per prisoner per year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...-per-place.pdf[COLOR="Silver"]

I think you will find most jails are not 'comfy hotels'...

Does that include to cost of building the facility and training staff? Some estimates given for incarceration are ludicrous

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Originally Posted by OhReally

I know two prison officers (Cat B) and life for the cons is cushy. Go to hospital or doctor? No queue for you, immediately in, bypassing us mugs who have been waiting for hours.

Smash up your telly, immediate replacement, I could go on...

Really?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...s-9944302.html

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Well on the doctors front i've had more then one consultant's appointment cancelled as I've been sitting in the waiting room because of a prisoner needing to be seen straight away. All the prison officers i know granted it's only about twenty all state that prisoners have it way way too easy now compared to thirty years ago. A christmas menu was leaked last year and the poor sod's had to make do with vichyssoise and prawn cocktail for starters and fillet mignon and lobster for entree yeah life is hell for them these days.

Again really

http://www.russellwebster.com/13-thi...istmas-dinner/

It's been many years since I worked with young offenders, ex offenders and drug addicts but I can assure you they were more mingy than fillet mignon

Osem · 11-12-2016, 09:47

Given the squalor the thousands of 'refugees' in Calais decided they'd rather endure for years than registering in France, I'd say it'd be hard to come up with a detention regime which would be harsher or more of a deterrent. As long as these people believe they will be better off here and able to use the system (or lack of it) to their advantage (something they clearly feel they can't do in places like France) they'll keep coming here. The best we can do to keep the numbers under control is make sure more are apprehended, detained and deported so the message that the UK isn't an easy touch slowly gets across. It's a nonsense that large numbers of illegals are arrested then allowed to just wander off and disappear into the black economy.

Osem · 11-12-2016, 12:28

According to an article in the Sunday Times (paywall) some of the 'child refugees' brought to the UK from Calais have already disappeared.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk...nish-q6xxrt706

There are totally unwarranted fears that they've been drawn into illegality, child slavery, prostitution etc. but I reckon they've just had enough of HMG's 'hospitality' and are making their way to Lily Allen's gaff for a party with Bob and his celebrity chums.

Who'd have thought eh? Quelle surprise!

Seriously, it shows how out of touch they are that the great and the good who're always so keen for the UK to take in these people don't seem to appreciate the terrible reality that awaits them here with the obvious lack of govt. support and of course all those 'sincere' offers of housing which were so quickly forgotten by those who so piously issued them.

The UK clearly already has a massive problem in safeguarding the welfare of its own needy and vulnerable children (and indeed adults, including the mentally ill) so what on Earth made anyone think that somehow HMG would step up a gear for these migrants? What made them think that new resources would come out of thin air and the family ties we heard so much about would prove as robust as it was claimed by those who cited them? Maybe the problem is that nobody amongst the powerful elite and celebrity luvvies actually thought it through, much less let themselves get directly involved in the aftermath of what they helped create. Does anyone think these people are losing any sleep over this?

nomadking · 11-12-2016, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Osem

According to an article in the Sunday Times (paywall) some of the 'child refugees' brought to the UK from Calais have already disappeared.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk...nish-q6xxrt706

There are totally unwarranted fears that they've been drawn into illegality, child slavery, prostitution etc. but I reckon they've just had enough of HMG's 'hospitality' and are making their way to Lily Allen's gaff for a party with Bob and his celebrity chums.

Who'd have thought eh? Quelle surprise!

Seriously, it shows how out of touch they are that the great and the good who're always so keen for the UK to take in these people don't seem to appreciate the terrible reality that awaits them here with the obvious lack of govt. support and of course all those 'sincere' offers of housing which were so quickly forgotten by those who so piously issued them.

"Child refugees" disappearing has been going on for ages.

There was a documentary where an immigration officer was telling telling somebody that their documents were bogus and they wouldn't be let in, but on the other hand if they said they were under 16 they would be let in. Guess what happened next? Yep, they lied, they were let in, placed in care, and then skipped. This was not undercover or covert filming, but totally out in the open.

Osem · 11-12-2016, 13:14

Yes it has and has been raised before in this (and other) threads. The problem is that we have a group of influential people for whom that doesn't matter either because they're thick or because they have another agenda, well meaning or otherwise. These people use the same false and flawed arguments every time situations such as this arise. First they try to shout down as racist anyone who opposes their views. Then they make ridiculous claims like 'they won't be here long and most of them will go back home to rebuild', then they tell us 'they're vulnerable children who need our help'. When they've been here a while and it's time to go home and rebuild they tell us it's not fair send anyone back because they've put down roots here. When the entirely foreseeable happens and they start getting into to trouble in significant numbers they then tell us it's our fault and we need to do more, provide more etc. They use the same arguments repeatedly no matter what the outcome because the truth is they're not as concerned about the effects on the ordinary people of the UK as they are in pursuing their goal which if left unchallenged will sooner or later ruin this country for those of us who aren't shielded from the fallout by our wealth and rich mates.

We need to remind these people there is a price to be paid and maybe someone from HMG ought to start tell those who so proudly promised to offer refuge that they need to start delivering on their promises because to do otherwise would be the most appalling hypocrisy. Maybe the BBC could do a documentary about all the rich luvvies who promised to do their bit but didn't. The trouble is too many of them have jumped on the bandwagon themselves and it'd all be too embarrassing...

TheDaddy · 11-12-2016, 16:44

Lovely thing to do, big mouthed celebrities who can afford it should remember actions speak louder than words

http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=31525

Taf · 11-12-2016, 19:11

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Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood has said placing curbs on immigration after Brexit could lead to "a real risk to some industries and places" in Wales.

Yeah, Big Issue sellers, scrap metal collectors, clothing for "charities" collectors, car hand washers and the homes they occupy from Buy-To-Let owners.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38280118