Unstoppable migration?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Taf

For many, Turkey is the first Safe Haven, and it's close enough for them to return home from when it's all calmed down and they can start to rebuild.

So he's a despot with half the country against him, but it's perfectly safe for immigrants ?


Sounds like 'doesn't matter where they go so long as it's not here'

Well supposedly since the EU referendum migrants and EU citizens are not safe here in the UK so best they stay in Turkey then come here.

[Osem]

... and since the UK has clearly become even more of a hotbed of ultra right wing hate crime and xenophobia since the Brexit vote, I expect we'll soon be seeing a mass exodus of foreigners from these shores before it's too late. Yes, they'll all be heading back to the mainland EU where there is no hate crime, no xenophobia, no right wing extremism and where there's a universal welcome to outsiders...

I do wonder sometimes at how the sort of unpleasant events and behaviour we see in the UK directed at certain minority/migrant groups are compared with the sort of behaviour which is evident across Europe which so many people here seem to turn a blind eye to when it suits their argument.

[Osem]

Immigration to the UK has risen to a record level with 650,000 migrants in the year to June, the Office for National Statistics has said.
There was also a record number of EU citizens coming to live in Britain with the figure standing at 284,000.
Net migration - immigration minus emigration - remained at a near-record high at 335,000.
Most of the period covered by the figures was before the EU referendum but includes one week after the poll.
Net migration to the UK was the second highest figure on record - just behind the 336,000 for the 12 months to June 2015.
The number is still significantly higher that the government's target of "tens of thousands" by 2020.
Net migration from the EU was the highest figure on record with the number standing at 189,000.

Now there's a surprise...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38167225

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Now there's a surprise...

With the consequent result:

Ambulance target failures highlight NHS crisis, say health chiefs

Having a million extra patients every 3 years does wonders for an already overstreached NHS.

[Osem]

Come on now, 350,000 extra people every year has no impact on the NHS in just the same way that it has no impact on homelessness, other public services, the environment, transport etc. etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38157410

More than a quarter of a million people are homeless in England, an analysis of the latest official figures suggests.
Researchers from charity Shelter used data from four sets of official 2016 statistics to compile what it describes as a "conservative" total.

It's not as if these extra people ever need health services or housing is it?...

Originally Posted by Osem

... and since the UK has clearly become even more of a hotbed of ultra right wing hate crime and xenophobia since the Brexit vote, I expect we'll soon be seeing a mass exodus of foreigners from these shores before it's too late. Yes, they'll all be heading back to the mainland EU where there is no hate crime, no xenophobia, no right wing extremism and where there's a universal welcome to outsiders...

I do wonder sometimes at how the sort of unpleasant events and behaviour we see in the UK directed at certain minority/migrant groups are compared with the sort of behaviour which is evident across Europe which so many people here seem to turn a blind eye to when it suits their argument.

It takes a lot to make someone leave a country. Nazi Germany was obviously far worse than anything we're seeing here and yet there were many persecuted groups who remained until it was too late. There are costs involved, the emotional distress of leaving your home and life, family ties and more.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Osem

Now there's a surprise...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38167225

There was a feature about this on the BBC earlier today that said that there is also evidence to show that they are no longer prepared to do the hard to fill vacancies in the UK eg fruit picking.

I think that immigration can have some benefits to us (though the disadvantages outweigh them), but if they're going to start being choosy about what work is expected of them, then this is one less benefit that they can offer and even less of a reason to allow them in.

After watching the BBC season on Black Britain, I feel the same about the black people coming here in the fifties.

This was only ever meant to be a stop gap to help us out with hard to fill vacancies and they were then expected to go home.

In the end they stayed and started expecting (and got) the right to be the bus driver instead of the conductor.

This was not the original agreement or plan.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So he's a despot with half the country against him, but it's perfectly safe for immigrants ?

Many entering Turkey are of the same religious flavour and disposition as himself and his supporters.

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I met an ex-neighbour today. He was "temporarily" housing 2 other recently-arrived immigrant families in his private-rented home until the landlord found out.

Now that's 3 immigrant families homeless. And there are no free homes to rent that they can afford or who will take them on.

He said there is a rush to get in and have babies before the cut-off point for Benefits next Spring.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

There my be 650.000 migrants that have come here. But what about the illegals that have entered the country and disappeared.
I think the government need there heads examined. Wee don't have Corbyn challenging this.
What we have here is a situation where, when employers will use the migrant crisis, as a great way to employ staff at a vastly reduced wage.

Gone are the days when employers will look for staff and pay a paltry wage of 13 grans a year. As they will know that a migrant will take.

Its extra pressure on the NHS - and before people say it wont. Look at this fact. At the moment, the NHS is in deep crisis. And cannot cope with the extra pressure at A/E. N beds etc etc.

If a Migrant becomes ill they will go straight t A/E and use it.

No l think its about time that we close the borders, until such time that the Government get a hold of this crisis. And Corbyn pulls his finger out and challenge the Government on the Migrant problem

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Taf

Many entering Turkey are of the same religious flavour and disposition as himself and his supporters.

---------- Post added at 16:53 ---------- Previous post was at 16:50 ----------

I met an ex-neighbour today. He was "temporarily" housing 2 other recently-arrived immigrant families in his private-rented home until the landlord found out.

Now that's 3 immigrant families homeless. And there are no free homes to rent that they can afford or who will take them on.

He said there is a rush to get in and have babies before the cut-off point for Benefits next Spring.

Aren't there any celebrities that'll take them in, lil allen, boneo, the Pope

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Aren't there any celebrities that'll take them in, lil allen, boneo, the Pope

Taf friend is the pope

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Aren't there any celebrities that'll take them in, lil allen, boneo, the Pope

...or bob geldof, gary lineker, benedict cumberbatch, endless other luvvies...

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

Taf friend is the pope

He's one person that I ignore totally.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Kursk

...or bob geldof, gary lineker, benedict cumberbatch, endless other luvvies...

Nah they're far too busy feathering their own luxurious nests and combining lecturing the rest of us on generosity of spirit with yet more PR opportunities to boost their own egos and bank balances.

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Originally Posted by Taf

He's one person that I ignore totally.

Yes but he flew out a couple of families to Rome remember. Such selflessness...

I believe no refugees have been directly supported by the Vatican.