Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

Originally Posted by Damien

What does what I said have to do with a referendum?

Referendum question to the public

"Do you want to restore execution?" YES or NO

Politicians who believe they know better than us brick themselves at what woud happen...

Originally Posted by OhReally

Referendum question to the public

"Do you want to restore execution?" YES or NO

Politicians who believe they know better than us brick themselves at what woud happen...

We have a representative democracy partly so we can appoint people whose job it is to know more than the public about issues they're legislating on. Not everything can or should be put to a public vote.

The problem with putting it to a referendum is that the question will be framed in the way Mick put it earlier: "What if it were your child that was murdered?". Public policy shouldn't be decided on such visceral emotions. There probably wouldn't be too much reflection on the dangers of the death penalty, the cost of it, the evidence or lack thereof of it's effectiveness as a deterrent.

Anyway the possible popularity of bringing back the death penalty is not a rebuttal of my point. What is right is not necessarily what is the most popular. I could be in a minority of one and still believe the death penalty should remain a thing of the past.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I wouldn't call it easy time, it's easier than some purely as a sop to control them, what else do they have to lose? I've never encountered a lifer admittedly only people that had been released in a job long ago and their opinion tallies very differently from what the public perception is.



Brady has said numerous times that he wants to die, don't give him what he wants imo keep him locked up and actively prolong his life if possible, the old bag could've dropped though and the only one who would've shed a tear would've been lord Longford, same with the Yorkshire ripper, apparently he's been warned that his eating himself to death, I'd happily send him in a food parcel if I thought it'd help him on his way.



Prime case of not thinking before typing, we've all done it, me more than most truth be known, that's what I hope anyway otherwise he's just a moron who doesn't know the difference between a homosexual and a paedophile.

I agree.

I think that being locked up for years is more of a punishment than being humanely executed.

Good point about homosexuality and paedophila.

This idiot needs to keep his views to himself, i'm all for appropriate free speech, but the last thing these footballers (and those reading it who have been abused) need is the ramblings of this offensive imbecile.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by OhReally

Referendum question to the public

"Do you want to restore execution?" YES or NO

Politicians who believe they know better than us brick themselves at what woud happen...

The problem is that people are never going to think about a question like that logically, and I believe they need to.

They may see the question "Do you want to restore execution?" but what they are likely to read is something along the lines of "Do you want to see Murderers hanged?". Most people, if you asked a question like that would say "Yes" without hesitation. Whether we are aware we do it or not, in my experience most people do. I'm usually logical to the point where I can appear quite cold, but even I think like that when I'm asked a question like that.

Unfortunately, where a decision involves life and death (as execution does), I feel that the best way to decide is to do so logically, and weigh up the pros and cons. It is hard to do that unless you can remove your own emotions from the situation.

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Personally, I have to take issue with the way this is reported. While I obviously think the boy perpetrating this crime is evil, and should be punished, calling him an immigrant is, at best, irrelevant (a person who commits this sort of crime is evil whatever race they are) and at worst, wrong. The article does not really give enough information to find other sources for what happened, but the article itself says that the boy came here to live with his father. It does not say anything about his father's status, but I'll lay odds that if the father was also an immigrant, the press would have at least mentioned that in the article, if not in the headline.

To give an example of the current quality of the reporting in the "newspaper" that calls itself the Daily Express: This headline stated that Coronation Street had been axed. It hasn't. As the article underneath the headline notes, one episode was cancelled so that ITV could show the football. Something which they have been doing as long as I can remember. Now, I know that the second article is in the showbiz section, so as a reader, I should not be expecting hard hitting and accurate news, but the fact that their headline is contradicted by the article suggests problems with the reporting.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Stuart

]Personally, I have to take issue with the way this is reported. While I obviously think the boy perpetrating this crime is evil, and should be punished, calling him an immigrant is, at best, irrelevant (a person who commits this sort of crime is evil whatever race they are) and at worst, wrong. The article does not really give enough information to find other sources for what happened, but the article itself says that the boy came here to live with his father. It does not say anything about his father's status, but I'll lay odds that if the father was also an immigrant, the press

I think many people would agree with you on this point. The use of the word Migrant in headlines like these is deliberately aimed at associating Migrants with crime. The Daily Mail and Express have been at the forefront on this trend of hate reporting:



There are finally initiatives aimed at stopping companies advertising in these "newspapers", for example:

https://www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/

[RichardCoulter]

You do have a point, but the fact that this was done by an immigrant is relevant.

If he hadn't of been here, this crime would never have taken place.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I agree.

I think that being locked up for years is more of a punishment than being humanely executed.

Good point about homosexuality and paedophila.

This idiot needs to keep his views to himself, i'm all for appropriate free speech, but the last thing these footballers (and those reading it who have been abused) need is the ramblings of this offensive imbecile.

Pleased to see that Sky have now sacked Bristo.

[RichardCoulter]

If any men reading this has suffered sex abuse as a child, three organisations that might be able to help are:

M power https://helplines.org/helplines/mpower/

Survivors UK https://www.survivorsuk.org

National Association for people who have been abused in childhood http://napac.org.uk

Help organisations are saying that one good thing about the latest revelations is that it involves football, which a lot of men can relate to, so they are finding that men who have kept this to themselves for many years feel a little more comfortable discussing it many years later.

These organisations have people who have suffered abuse themselves. I'm sure that it must help to be an to speak to someone who can truly understand the effects of sexual abuse in childhood.