Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I should imagine either cat C or D.

Right, one that is barely even a prison then, think I'll just classify the creator of that as either a troll in need of attention or just plain ignorant.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OhReally

Who said anything about a quick and painless execution?

It seems you are quite happy for them to be "executed" inside prison instead by the other inmates, hypocrite.

When you've had a daughter raped by her step-father then you can come back and argue with me, until then...your opinion amounts to heap of %^%^%$

..and yes justice (you'll call it revenge) was meted out and he is now scarred for life. Sentence? Community service, those magistrates understood.

I repeat, I believe that if the UK were to reintroduce the death penalty, it would be done humanely. It's unthinkable that the UK would do any other and I did not put forward any opinion as to whether this is appropriate or not.

How could society complain and seek redress for some of its members being harmed if it went on to sanction death or harm itself, it would be viewed as totally hypocritical.

At no point have I said that I am happy for inmates to harm other inmates. I merely pointed out what is likely to happen. I am not, therefore, a hypocrite.

My opinion is as valid as anybody elses, even yours which is obviously tainted by what you say happened to your daughter.

In my opinion, justice or revenge, whatever you want to call it, is best served by imprisonment for the reason previously explained.

We do not live in a vigilante society for very sound reasons, although i'm sure it can be tempting for someone who feels wronged.

It wouldn't be reasonable to expect someone to stand back and form a rational opinion in circumstances where their child had been abused, raped, killed etc. I believe that it's a common trait for all beings that have procreated to want to protect their young. At it's most raw, it's a part of the continuation cycle of the species and basic survival.

The footballers who were sexually abused and raped as children could easily have banded together and done something to their former coach, but they have decided to deal with the matter in the correct and appropriate manner.

It will benefit them in the end i'm sure.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I was all for the death penalty (a few years back). That was until I researched the inns and outs of it's deterrance etc.
It doesn't deter criminals from committing crimes and there is the problem of executing an innocent person......which does happen.
Not in favour

Plus there is a the slight problem that by killing someone, you are ensuring they won't suffer any further consequences of their actions. In prison, they might. In the meantime, the victim may need extensive counselling to help them cope with what has happened to them.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Right, one that is barely even a prison then, think I'll just classify the creator of that as either a troll in need of attention or just plain ignorant.

I have heard that lifers have an easy time in cat A prisons. Only someone who has been there would be able to confirm if it is across all category prisons or not. I am merely guessing.

I know quite a few prison officers courtesy of having a prison just up the road from my town and they all say that prisoners generally have never had it as easy as they do now and that the current regime promotes reoffending given that for the bulk of prisoners they have a higher standard of living in prison then they would outside. I'm inclined to take their word on the subject as they are prison officers some with over twenty years experience.

Do I believe in the Death Penalty ? It is a hard one. Sometimes emotions override intellect and all that matters is, an eye for an eye. In cases where there is overwhelming evidence of wrong doing and that the crime involves pretty gruesome and brutal murders, then, yes I could say the death penalty should be brought back, but again I stress in cases where the evidence is significantly overwhelming.

An example of where the death penalty, I feel should have been used but was not because it had just been abolished in Britain: The Moors Murderers and child killers, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, whose kidnap and murder spree happened in the area where I live back in the 1960's. The evidence stacked up against them, they were guilty as hell and it was just unfortunate and unbelievable poor timing that the death penalty had just been abolished. Those two should have been Executed for what they did to those kids ! Those who are not in favor of the death penalty, had it been one of your kids they kidnapped and tortured and recorded their screams and took photographs of their evils deeds, could you honestly say, hand on heart, those two **** bags didn't deserve to be Executed ?

Originally Posted by Mick

Those who are not in favor of the death penalty, had it been one of your kids they kidnapped and tortured and recorded their screams and took photographs of their evils deeds, could you honestly say, hand on heart, those two **** bags didn't deserve to be Executed ?

No I couldn't. I would probably not want even execution, far too little pain involved. But we shouldn't design a justice system on that. Victims are unlikely to be thinking clearly and there are other needs than just revenge and punishment. We don't have the death penalty because, overall, we judge it as making society as a whole worse even if there are specific circumstances where we may wish it still existed.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Stuart

Plus there is a the slight problem that by killing someone, you are ensuring they won't suffer any further consequences of their actions. In prison, they might. In the meantime, the victim may need extensive counselling to help them cope with what has happened to them.

I agree. But I'm unhappy with life not meaning life in some cases and also with how comfortable prisons can be for these people (according to tabloids)

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

Do I believe in the Death Penalty ? It is a hard one. Sometimes emotions override intellect and all that matters is, an eye for an eye. In cases where there is overwhelming evidence of wrong doing and that the crime involves pretty gruesome and brutal murders, then, yes I could say the death penalty should be brought back, but again I stress in cases where the evidence is significantly overwhelming.

An example of where the death penalty, I feel should have been used but was not because it had just been abolished in Britain: The Moors Murderers and child killers, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, whose kidnap and murder spree happened in the area where I live back in the 1960's. The evidence stacked up against them, they were guilty as hell and it was just unfortunate and unbelievable poor timing that the death penalty had just been abolished. Those two should have been Executed for what they did to those kids ! Those who are not in favor of the death penalty, had it been one of your kids they kidnapped and tortured and recorded their screams and took photographs of their evils deeds, could you honestly say, hand on heart, those two **** bags didn't deserve to be Executed ?

You're missing the point Mick, I think I've made this point either in this or another thread. But once you become personally/emotionally involved in a crime then of course you would be screaming for the death penalty.

Our legal system isn't nor cannot be based on emotion.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

Do I believe in the Death Penalty ? It is a hard one. Sometimes emotions override intellect and all that matters is, an eye for an eye. In cases where there is overwhelming evidence of wrong doing and that the crime involves pretty gruesome and brutal murders, then, yes I could say the death penalty should be brought back, but again I stress in cases where the evidence is significantly overwhelming.

An example of where the death penalty, I feel should have been used but was not because it had just been abolished in Britain: The Moors Murderers and child killers, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, whose kidnap and murder spree happened in the area where I live back in the 1960's. The evidence stacked up against them, they were guilty as hell and it was just unfortunate and unbelievable poor timing that the death penalty had just been abolished. Those two should have been Executed for what they did to those kids ! Those who are not in favor of the death penalty, had it been one of your kids they kidnapped and tortured and recorded their screams and took photographs of their evils deeds, could you honestly say, hand on heart, those two **** bags didn't deserve to be Executed ?

Remember it well even though I was only a child at the time, same as Peter Sutcliffe, Fred & Rosie West etc.

The death penalty is a highly emotive subject, personally I'd have no problem with it.

[RichardCoulter]

Even if it meant that by being humanely executed that they had effectively got away with it as far as we are concerned?

What if the reintroduction of the death penalty meant that child abusers would become more fearful of being caught, so incidents of child murder increased to permanently silence them?

No amount of laws and threats are going to stop someone who gets sexually excited by under age people from being attracted to children.

It must be very difficult for them to control their sexual urges, yet if any asked for help, it's unlikely that it would work out well for them.

Yet, for someone to put their own needs and desires to one side because the welfare of children would be affected, is a selfless thing to do and helps to protect minors.

Nobody can help what makes them sexually excited; there must be a better way than how paedophila is 'managed' at the moment as it's clearly not working and is detrimental to children.

Originally Posted by Damien

[snip]
We don't have the death penalty because, overall, we judge it as making society as a whole worse even if there are specific circumstances where we may wish it still existed.

No, we don't have it because it was abolished by a bunch of hand-wringing lily-livered liberals (in the broadest sense).

If what you say is true then why wont any government give us a referendum on the subject?

simple answer - we'll vote to bring it back.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OhReally

No, we don't have it because it was abolished by a bunch of hand-wringing lily-livered liberals (in the broadest sense).

If what you say is true then why wont any government give us a referendum on the subject?

simple answer - we'll vote to bring it back.

It's been some years since admittedly, but the more right wing Tories have tried to garner support for the reintroduction of the death penalty several times in the past, but to no avail.

The thoughts of Eric Bristow on the subject of the sexually abused footballers; there's also a rugby player who it's happened to:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-arent-9354804

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I have heard that lifers have an easy time in cat A prisons. Only someone who has been there would be able to confirm if it is across all category prisons or not. I am merely guessing.

I wouldn't call it easy time, it's easier than some purely as a sop to control them, what else do they have to lose? I've never encountered a lifer admittedly only people that had been released in a job long ago and their opinion tallies very differently from what the public perception is.

Originally Posted by Mick

Do I believe in the Death Penalty ? It is a hard one. Sometimes emotions override intellect and all that matters is, an eye for an eye. In cases where there is overwhelming evidence of wrong doing and that the crime involves pretty gruesome and brutal murders, then, yes I could say the death penalty should be brought back, but again I stress in cases where the evidence is significantly overwhelming.

An example of where the death penalty, I feel should have been used but was not because it had just been abolished in Britain: The Moors Murderers and child killers, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, whose kidnap and murder spree happened in the area where I live back in the 1960's. The evidence stacked up against them, they were guilty as hell and it was just unfortunate and unbelievable poor timing that the death penalty had just been abolished. Those two should have been Executed for what they did to those kids ! Those who are not in favor of the death penalty, had it been one of your kids they kidnapped and tortured and recorded their screams and took photographs of their evils deeds, could you honestly say, hand on heart, those two **** bags didn't deserve to be Executed ?

Brady has said numerous times that he wants to die, don't give him what he wants imo keep him locked up and actively prolong his life if possible, the old bag could've dropped though and the only one who would've shed a tear would've been lord Longford, same with the Yorkshire ripper, apparently he's been warned that his eating himself to death, I'd happily send him in a food parcel if I thought it'd help him on his way.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It's been some years since admittedly, but the more right wing Tories have tried to garner support for the reintroduction of the death penalty several times in the past, but to no avail.

The thoughts of Eric Bristow on the subject of the sexually abused footballers; there's also a rugby player who it's happened to:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-arent-9354804

Prime case of not thinking before typing, we've all done it, me more than most truth be known, that's what I hope anyway otherwise he's just a moron who doesn't know the difference between a homosexual and a paedophile.

Originally Posted by OhReally

No, we don't have it because it was abolished by a bunch of hand-wringing lily-livered liberals (in the broadest sense).

If what you say is true then why wont any government give us a referendum on the subject?

simple answer - we'll vote to bring it back.

What does what I said have to do with a referendum?