Secret Thatcher plans to scrap the welfare state now released.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Richard, you beat me to it.
http://news.sky.com/story/margaret-t...utcry-10671543

I think that 'evil'woman, would HAVE done it if she could. Sadly, it is going on today. We have private companies trying to take over the NHS.

And the Tories, no matter what they say, are ripping the Health Service to bits.

You only have to look at recents news items.

Patients waiting in corridors with Ambulances crews. Patients having to travel mlies to get beds.

And the Tories say. 'The NHS is safe in our hands' and what is that berk Corbyn doing NOTHING

Blame the electorate Arthur, this is what they voted for last year. Low taxes for the rich and the NHS dismantled; surely they can't have expected anything less.

No, I don't understand it either.

You seem to assume that just because people vote for a particular party, they automatially support everything they do.

Surprisingly, thats not actually true.

A large number will always vote for the same party no matter what, the rest are just picking the lesser of two evils.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Paul M

You seem to assume that just because people vote for a particular party, they automatially support everything they do.

Surprisingly, thats not actually true.

A large number will always vote for the same party no matter what, the rest are just picking the lesser of two evils.

And then you have the majority who don't bother because they know they're going to get screwed anyway.

I will add no-one has provided any evidence of a "Secret Plan" which this thread purports to be about.

All we've had is a proposal from a think tank.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul M

You seem to assume that just because people vote for a particular party, they automatially support everything they do.

Surprisingly, thats not actually true.

A large number will always vote for the same party no matter what, the rest are just picking the lesser of two evils.

but by voting for a party, they do support the major policy decisions by implication. They should abstain if the opposition is not credible.

UK governments put a lot of store on "having a mandate" to implement their manifesto so if you don't support a party's strategic policies, don't vote for it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

but by voting for a party, they do support the major policy decisions by implication. They should abstain if the opposition is not credible.

UK governments put a lot of store on "having a mandate" to implement their manifesto so if you don't support a party's strategic policies, don't vote for it.

How is that as there are many l know who might have voted for certain parties but l can assure you if they are unhappy with certain policies they ain't slow to voice their unhappy opinions about it but as Paul; stated for many its picking the best of two evils as we ain't exactly loaded with the great leaders of old sadly IMO..

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by denphone

How is that as there are many l know who might have voted for certain parties but l can assure you if they are unhappy with certain policies they ain't slow to voice their unhappy opinions about it but as Paul; stated for many its picking the best of two evils as we ain't exactly loaded with the great leaders of old sadly IMO..

You can't vote for a party and then be unhappy over major policy decisions that were in their manifesto.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You can't vote for a party and then be unhappy over major policy decisions that were in their manifesto.

Sorry but in real life things ain't as black and white as that sometimes.

Originally Posted by ianch99

but by voting for a party, they do support the major policy decisions by implication. They should abstain if the opposition is not credible.

UK governments put a lot of store on "having a mandate" to implement their manifesto so if you don't support a party's strategic policies, don't vote for it.

I'm sure this works fine in la la land, but here in the real world we have to vote for someone to run the country.
Voting for X or Y does not in any way mean you support all of their policies, it means you think they will do a better job than the rest.

Abstaining is completly pointless, you are simply supporting whoever wins.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I'm sure this works fine in la la land, but here in the real world we have to vote for someone to run the country.
Voting for X or Y does not in any way mean you support all of their policies, it means you think they will do a better job than the rest.

Abstaining is completly pointless, you are simply supporting whoever wins.

Try reading the post first before replying? I said:

You can't vote for a party and then be unhappy over major policy decisions that were in their manifesto.

If you disagree with this then it is you who is not living in the real world

Originally Posted by ianch99

Try reading the post first before replying? I said:
If you disagree with this then it is you who is not living in the real world

I did read it thanks.

Clearly you need glasses ;

Voting for X or Y does not in any way mean you support all of their policies

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I did read it thanks.

Clearly you need glasses ;

Why so aggressive?

I said:

by voting for a party, they do support the major policy decisions by implication

and:

if you don't support a party's strategic policies, don't vote for it.

you then replied:

Voting for X or Y does not in any way mean you support all of their policies

I never said this which is why I suggested you re-read my post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)

The concept of a government having a legitimate mandate to govern via the fair winning of a democratic election is a central idea of representative democracy. New governments who attempt to introduce policies that they did not make public during an election campaign are said not to have a legitimate mandate to implement such policies.

Elections, especially ones with a large margin of victory, are often said to give the newly elected government or elected official an implicit mandate to put into effect certain policies.[2] When a government seeks re-election they may introduce new policies as part of the campaign and are hoping for approval from the voters, and say they are seeking a "new mandate".

As I said before, I am not talking about all policies. I am talking about the strategic policies a party puts in its manifesto.

If you don't like them, don't vote for the party. If you do vote for the party, don't complain when they implement these policies.

[pip08456]

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Originally Posted by ianch99

As I said before, I am not talking about all policies. I am talking about the strategic policies a party puts in its manifesto.

If you don't like them, don't vote for the party. If you do vote for the party, don't complain when they implement these policies.

How many times over the years have parties had stragic policies in their manefestos which have never been implemented once in power?

[Osem]

Manifestos don't contain huge detail and tend to set out overall objectives rather than the detailed means by which those things will actually be put into practice. It's perfectly possible and I'd say quite common, to be in full agreement with a principle outlined in a manifesto but not the subsequent implementation of it after, say, the required legislation has been through the parliamentary process and any legal challenges which may also result.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by pip08456

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How many times over the years have parties had stragic policies in their manefestos which have never been implemented once in power?

If that does/did happen then there is no problem is there? The Government rarely declares it has received a mandate not to do something

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

If that does/did happen then there is no problem is there? The Government rarely declares it has received a mandate not to do something

Never been a problem, I haven't voted in any election since the 70's