Post-Brexit Thread

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Osem

... and this is the claptrap people are right to moan about. Migration and the free movement of people was overwhelmingly the primary concern of those who voted to leave, the EU debate and the general election before it. It was that concern and the resulting surge in votes for UKIP which got us the referendum in the first place. Up until that point HMG had no real interest in asking us anything. To claim that's not the case or wasn't understood by those who voted out is patent nonsense. Referenda are by definition binary choices 'yes/no', 'in/out' - the fine detail of what's entailed in those decisions is never a matter for the referendum but for what follows. We voted to leave - not to stay in some of it and slightly less in some of the what's left. What part of that can't you accept?

they[remoaners] can't accept any of it they thought it was like voting on the x factor [if you don't like the outcome you can change it] first time in their lives that reality kicked in -poor little luvvies

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

we may have been in front of the side or in front the rear of the bus or outside the inside or even inside the outside it doesn't really matter we are all going in the same direction on the same bus

Let's hope that direction isn't of a cliff

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Let's hope that direction isn't of a cliff

or even off a cliff

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Let's hope that direction isn't of a cliff

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

Just shows you didn't know what you voted for

yes we will leave the EU that's what the referendum ask.

I didn't see anything in the question regarding freedom of movement, take up that with negotiaton and vote leave if you feel that was what you were promised

Then you should have paid more attention to such an important subject .When we leave the EU we leave the single market ,that was made clear by Brussels ,we leave the single market we end freedom of movement .We can of course decide for ourselves how much freedom of movement we want to accept in the future ,that is the beauty of leaving the EU ........we get to decide not Brussels

[Anypermitedroute]

tell that to Norway and Switzerland

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

tell that to Norway and Switzerland

Norway and Switzerland agreed to freedom of movement as part of the trade deal they negotiated. It was their choice. Other countries have trade agreements without freedom of movement.

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

tell that to Norway and Switzerland

The point is that it was their choice ,they want freedom of movement ,we have had it ,we don't want it anymore

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by martyh

The point is that it was their choice ,they want freedom of movement ,we have had it ,we don't want it anymore

Exactly.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by martyh

The point is that it was their choice ,they want freedom of movement ,we have had it ,we don't want it anymore

50.3% actually voted in Switzerland against freedom of movement.
The Swiss Government understands that European countries (that don't plan to join the EU) have to have freedom of movement if they're to trade freely with it. So the Swiss Government did not implement the referendum result. It's a big issue there and may be resolved by...another referendum!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...lenge-ivzgefr8
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ations-with-eu

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

50.3% actually voted in Switzerland against freedom of movement.
The Swiss Government understands that European countries (that don't plan to join the EU) have to have freedom of movement if they're to trade freely with it. So the Swiss Government did not implement the referendum result. It's a big issue there and may be resolved by...another referendum!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...lenge-ivzgefr8
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ations-with-eu

You are trying to equate chalk with cheese. The Swiss constitution is totally different to ours.

For instance:

The 2014 referendum result must be put into law by February, piling pressure on the Alpine republic to find a way to manage migration without violating its EU obligations and losing its special deal with the EU, which takes more Swiss exports than any other market.

and

Referendums to challenge a law already voted upon by parliament require 50,000 signatures.

Our constituion does not allow for that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You are trying to equate chalk with cheese. The Swiss constitution is totally different to ours.
For instance:
and
Our constituion does not allow for that.

You're going off on a tangent, which at least is better than off a cliff edge.
The statement from martyh was that "The point is that it was their choice, they want freedom of movement"
I pointed out that a small majority of the Swiss do not want freedom of movement. How that suddenly becomes a compare-and-contrast two countries' constitutions debate I really don't know!

Anyway, anyone who doesn't like Mr Carney may enjoy this piece in today's Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/business...lect-committee

[1andrew1]

Brexit: Government could face legal challenge over single market

"The question of whether leaving the European Union means automatic withdrawal from the single market could be the subject of a legal challenge."
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-gov...arket-10675569

"The basis of the legal action would be that the government has an opportunity to stay within the single market, but is rejecting it.

It will claim that Croatia, by joining the EEA nine months after the EU, has proven that the two organisations are separate, so leaving one need not mean leaving the other.

“The fact that the UK dismisses these arguments out of hand suggest that it is deliberately aiming for a hard Brexit outside the single market. This option was not on the referendum ballot paper,” he said, calling the legal challenge a “game-changer on every level”."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-single-market

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Brexit: Government could face legal challenge over single market

"The question of whether leaving the European Union means automatic withdrawal from the single market could be the subject of a legal challenge."
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-gov...arket-10675569

"The basis of the legal action would be that the government has an opportunity to stay within the single market, but is rejecting it.

It will claim that Croatia, by joining the EEA nine months after the EU, has proven that the two organisations are separate, so leaving one need not mean leaving the other.

EEA membership is totally different to EU membership and would have to be negotiated sererately.


“The fact that the UK dismisses these arguments out of hand suggest that it is deliberately aiming for a hard Brexit outside the single market. This option was not on the referendum ballot paper,” he said, calling the legal challenge a “game-changer on every level”."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-single-market

These legal challenges (or threat of) are doing nothing other than attempting to override the democratic will of the majority. The Government has stated it respects the result of the referendum and will invoke article 50.

It's about time remoaners accepted that. Let them get on with it and give them room to negotiated the best deal for this country instead of trying to hamstring them.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by pip08456

These legal challenges (or threat of) are doing nothing other than attempting to override the democratic will of the majority. The Government has stated it respects the result of the referendum and will invoke article 50.

It's about time remoaners accepted that. Let them get on with it and give them room to negotiated the best deal for this country instead of trying to hamstring them.

Did you read the article ?