Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order

Originally Posted by Paul M

You are free to disagree, but you wont change my opinion.

To suggest that it would not deter anyone is just plain nonsense.

Never suggested that - but innocent people have been executed.

[Mr K]

'14 Days in May' a haunting documentary that made my mind up about the death penalty. A BBC camera crew followed a young poor black man on death row. He turned out to be innocent, which wasn't known at the time of filming or proved till after his death.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20...t-1_shortfilms

Plus if you are going to implement the death penalty you would want some evidence it does deter crime. States which abolished the death penalty in the US didn't see a rise in crime and there is no noticeable difference between those states which have and which do not although that's harder to measure.

I think the people who commit crimes worthy of a death sentence are not think clearly or do not live the the same lives. The guy who wrote The Wire pointed out the people in the drug trade were far more concerned and likely to be killed by each other rather than the state.

[nomadking]

Locking them up also doesn't deter crime, so theoretically, in principle we should scrap prisons or indeed another other punishment.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Locking them up also doesn't deter crime, so theoretically, in principle we should scrap prisons or indeed another other punishment.

No because prison protects others. You can't deter everyone and again not everyone really cares about the deterrent because they've got nothing to lose or they're just not of a mind that is relatable to us.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

No because prison protects others. You can't deter everyone and again not everyone really cares about the deterrent because they've got nothing to lose or they're just not of a mind that is relatable to us.

That assumes that they get sent to prison in the first place, as with this case. They are also released at some point.

If you are going to use an argument that the death penalty doesn't deter crime, then automatically you have to accept that as prison doesn't deter crime that should also be abolished.

Actually, he didn't make that argument - he said there was no evidence that the death penalty reduced crime.

States which abolished the death penalty in the US didn't see a rise in crime and there is no noticeable difference between those states which have and which do not although that's harder to measure.

Originally Posted by nomadking

That assumes that they get sent to prison in the first place, as with this case. They are also released at some point.

If you are going to use an argument that the death penalty doesn't deter crime, then automatically you have to accept that as prison doesn't deter crime that should also be abolished.

Why? Prison protects others by taking people out of free society. It servers a purpose other than deterrence, it can also be used to rehabilitate people to try and reduce reoffenders.

The argument against the death penalty is primarily that mistakes can be made and, in my view, that state shouldn't kill people if it doesn't absolutely have to. If it's not a deterrent either then it offers no advantages over prison but comes with the added risk of executing innocent people. Plenty of people have been cleared of their crimes on death row, sadly some were cleared after they're execution.

Originally Posted by Paul M

You are free to disagree, but you wont change my opinion.

To suggest that it would not deter anyone is just plain nonsense.

I don't think anyones suggested that.The death penalty is simply about society's revenge on a killer .Revenge has no place in the justice system .The reason why the death penalty is no deterrent is because the largest part of murders happen on the spur of the moment with no thought given to the consequences

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I don't care if it's a migrant, black, chinese, asian or white a 15 year old doing what they did gets a custodial sentence not a waste of time rehabilitation order, if the migrant thing does anything it helps fuel the knuckle draggers. That said there seems to be an attitude endemic to certain cultures about unacceptable sexual behaviour that they don't change when they come to western countries.

Oh yes. I've seen immigrants just grab hold of womens breasts because in their culture it's perfectly acceptable to do this as women are little more than objects of meat to be enjoyed by men.

They soon get shown the door, that's not if the woman hasn't done it first!

Originally Posted by martyh

I don't think anyones suggested that.The death penalty is simply about society's revenge on a killer .Revenge has no place in the justice system .The reason why the death penalty is no deterrent is because the largest part of murders happen on the spur of the moment with no thought given to the consequences

I think that we're all capable of murder in the right circumstances, especially in the heat of the moment.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

Why? Prison protects others by taking people out of free society. It servers a purpose other than deterrence, it can also be used to rehabilitate people to try and reduce reoffenders.

The argument against the death penalty is primarily that mistakes can be made and, in my view, that state shouldn't kill people if it doesn't absolutely have to. If it's not a deterrent either then it offers no advantages over prison but comes with the added risk of executing innocent people. Plenty of people have been cleared of their crimes on death row, sadly some were cleared after they're execution.

Rehabilitate people, yeah right.

There will be one-off offenders who don't need rehabilitating, then there will be others who are not exactly first time offenders by the time they get sent to prison, and then there are those where it is simply part of their mindset and those they associate with.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Oh yes. I've seen immigrants just grab hold of womens breasts because in their culture it's perfectly acceptable to do this as women are little more than objects of meat to be enjoyed by men.

They soon get shown the door, that's not if the woman hasn't done it first!



I think that we're all capable of murder in the right circumstances, especially in the heat of the moment.

So do i and as such would we stop and think "i won't kill the bloke i just found in bed with my wife because we have the death penalty" i don't think so

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by martyh

So do i and as such would we stop and think "i won't kill the bloke i just found in bed with my wife because we have the death penalty" i don't think so

I'd kill the wife instead and go have a drink with the bloke!

[heero_yuy]

I'd "rehabilitate" him with a selection of sharp implements applied to his nether regions.

Originally Posted by Mr K

You're grammatically wrong.

Oh we're so posh and over precious aren't we ?