General : Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016) Vol 2

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

If the streaming services get sport why would many need the likes of Sky and VM when their products are available across many devices.

Ifs , buts and maybe's as you think Sky and BT are going to give up their premium sports rights very easily MM?.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by denphone

Ifs , buts and maybe's as you think Sky and BT are going to give up their premium sports rights very easily MM?.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ence-on-sports

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ence-on-sports
http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-n...ights-strategy

l would take that talk with a pinch of salt as l remember them giving that type of talk before and nowt happened.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by denphone

l would take that talk with a pinch of salt as l remember them giving that type of talk before and nowt happened.

Den people are no longer prepared to pay stupid amounts just look at the Sky Black Friday Sale , half price Sports and Movies for 12 months

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Den people are no longer prepared to pay stupid amounts just look at the Sky Black Friday Sale , half price Sports and Movies for 12 months

You cannot judge things just on one Black Friday sale MM as it will require far more proof then that to tell you customers are starting to desert the pay TV providers in droves as Sky have been doing these sales for quite a few years if my poor memory serves me right and their customer base always seems to go up every time they give their quarterly sales updates so l am yet to be convinced personally.

[muppetman11]

They are offering half price pretty much all year now funny that if everything's hunky dory like you would have us believe. How many companies would price things at half price if masses of people were chomping at the bit to get it.

Droves leaving , no just choosing to other bother with premiums or at least choosing not to pay at full price.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

They are offering half price pretty much all year now funny that if everything's hunky dory like you would have us believe. How many companies would price things at half price if masses of people were chomping at the bit to get it.

l am not saying its all hunky dory but it ain't all doom and gloom either as l think some are overplaying it far too much IMO but then again what do l know.

[SonicMaster]

Just thinking about the channel number changes next week, it's pretty daft that Channel 4 hasn't taken the opportunity to move 4Seven to 147, to mirror what they did putting it on 47 on Freeview.

[vincerooney]

Whats going to happen is amazon will make a mega bid and sky will go nuclear to keep their precious rights.

Mega pay day for the rich greedy clubs and more price increases for us.

But yet ill keep paying virgin media as im 31 years old and incredibly lazy and childish at life.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

Whats going to happen is amazon will make a mega bid and sky will go nuclear to keep their precious rights.

Mega pay day for the rich greedy clubs and more price increases for us.

But yet ill keep paying virgin media as im 31 years old and incredibly lazy and childish at life.

Hey, Vince, have no doubt that Amazon is coming to VM, sporting all their UHD credentials!

[Chad]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

Whats going to happen is amazon will make a mega bid and sky will go nuclear to keep their precious rights.

Mega pay day for the rich greedy clubs and more price increases for us.

But yet ill keep paying virgin media as im 31 years old and incredibly lazy and childish at life.

If Amazon and BT bid big and bought all Premiership TV rights I could see SKY doing one of two things.

1. Binning SKY Sports and re-investing the money on hoovering up as much TV and movie rights as possible including pouring more money into original content. Launching various new SKY branded entertainment channels and becoming the home of must watch TV and movies in the UK.

2. Keeping SKY Sports but investingly heavily in all things outwith the Premiership and agreeing a carriage deal to include Amazon in their package to keep Premiership football on the SKY platform.

I don't care at all for Premiership football.

[theone2k10]

Originally Posted by denphone

Ifs , buts and maybe's as you think Sky and BT are going to give up their premium sports rights very easily MM?.

One thing is certain Vm certainly won't bid, and who can blame them the price of football is outrageous.

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Originally Posted by Chad

If Amazon and BT bid big and bought all Premiership TV rights I could see SKY doing one of two things.

1. Binning SKY Sports and re-investing the money on hoovering up as much TV and movie rights as possible including pouring more money into original content. Launching various new SKY branded entertainment channels and becoming the home of must watch TV and movies in the UK.

2. Keeping SKY Sports but investingly heavily in all things outwith the Premiership and agreeing a carriage deal to include Amazon in their package to keep Premiership football on the SKY platform.

I don't care at all for Premiership football.

Wouldn't be surprised if sky invested into the shows etc then did a deal with Bt so sky get bt sport and bt in return get the sky entertainment channels olus some cash too.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chad

If Amazon and BT bid big and bought all Premiership TV rights I could see SKY doing one of two things.

Sky and BT currently pay a total of £5.1bn for 2016/19.

If:
- BT and Amazon each bid and won the next PL auction paying £3bn each.
- They had 6m paying customers each.
- The monthly costs to BT and Amazon would be £14pm to each provider even before the cost of filming, studio staff and presenters was included. Granted you recoup some of that from advertising and sales to pubs and clubs so let's stick with the £14pm.

Would Amazon really want to increase the cost of Prime by £14pm? I don't think so.

Alternatively,if the Premier League set up its own channel costing £6bn a year or £28pm for 6m subscribers would this be of interest to the British public? It looks quite pricey to me.

That's why I think the current set-up stands a good chance of continuing.

Where I think Amazon could do well is taking a less popular but global sport like Formula E and going to town with it.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sky and BT currently pay a total of £5.1bn for 2016/19.

If:
- BT and Amazon each bid and won the next PL auction paying £3bn each.
- They had 6m paying customers each.
- The monthly costs to BT and Amazon would be £14pm to each provider even before the cost of filming, studio staff and presenters was included. Granted you recoup some of that from advertising and sales to pubs and clubs so let's stick with the £14pm.

Would Amazon really want to increase the cost of Prime by £14pm? I don't think so.

Alternatively,if the Premier League set up its own channel costing £6bn a year or £28pm for 6m subscribers would this be of interest to the British public? It looks quite pricey to me.

That's why I think the current set-up stands a good chance of continuing.

Where I think Amazon could do well is taking a less popular but global sport like Formula E and going to town with it.

If Amazon did acquire premiership sports rights, such a substantial price hike for all Prime customers would be unacceptable. They would need to offer a separate sports package.

---------- Post added at 11:03 ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 ----------

Originally Posted by Chad

If Amazon and BT bid big and bought all Premiership TV rights I could see SKY doing one of two things.

1. Binning SKY Sports and re-investing the money on hoovering up as much TV and movie rights as possible including pouring more money into original content. Launching various new SKY branded entertainment channels and becoming the home of must watch TV and movies in the UK.

2. Keeping SKY Sports but investingly heavily in all things outwith the Premiership and agreeing a carriage deal to include Amazon in their package to keep Premiership football on the SKY platform.

I don't care at all for Premiership football.

I think you will find that it is not a foregone conclusion that Sky will be so successful in its future bids for film rights. With Netflix and Amazon now entrenching their position in the UK, Sky will have a real fight on its hands just to retain what it has now when existing contracts expire.

In my view, Sky should be concentrating on commissioning more original programmes which it can make exclusive to Sky subscribers if it wants to (although I would prefer it if those programmes were exclusive to Sky channels on multiple platforms rather than satellite viewers only, and this would also make the new approach more cost effective).

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Sky and BT currently pay a total of £5.1bn for 2016/19.

If:
- BT and Amazon each bid and won the next PL auction paying £3bn each.
- They had 6m paying customers each.
- The monthly costs to BT and Amazon would be £14pm to each provider even before the cost of filming, studio staff and presenters was included. Granted you recoup some of that from advertising and sales to pubs and clubs so let's stick with the £14pm.

Would Amazon really want to increase the cost of Prime by £14pm? I don't think so.

Alternatively,if the Premier League set up its own channel costing £6bn a year or £28pm for 6m subscribers would this be of interest to the British public? It looks quite pricey to me.

That's why I think the current set-up stands a good chance of continuing.

Where I think Amazon could do well is taking a less popular but global sport like Formula E and going to town with it.

Amazon could just as easy sell it as a standalone with discounts for Prime members like they currently do with Amazon music Unlimited. They could also sell annual and monthly contracts with Fire devices.

I'm not suggesting they are going for the EPL if you remember I suggested they may test the water with smaller sports in their home country.