Post-Brexit Thread

Whats done is done and there is nothing to be done about it but hope in the next campaign they remember how pathetic the EU referendum campaign was on both sides and never again repeat it. None of the worst one's are in my area to vote on or i wouldn't vote for them so what else can we do. Yes i suppose we could have a law drawn up but politicians have to approve the law so bit like turkeys voting for xmas. What other options are you proposing ???.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Whats done is done and there is nothing to be done about it but hope in the next campaign they remember how pathetic the EU referendum campaign was on both sides and never again repeat it. None of the worst one's are in my area to vote on or i wouldn't vote for them so what else can we do. Yes i suppose we could have a law drawn up but politicians have to approve the law so bit like turkeys voting for xmas. What other options are you proposing ???.

There's plenty we can do, we could hound them to such an extent that they wouldn't dare do it again, we could have every major statement fact checked by an independent body and if blatent dishonesty is apparent punish them, the inventors of democracy had an exceptional check and balance in place for when politicians lied to them, the offender had his house burnt down. Iirc it was Gideon who announced the time for banker bashing was over, well imo it never actually began and it's the same here, I don't understand why instead of being apoplectic we're happy to allow this sort of behaviour to go on unchallenged, to the extent we're turning on people who are cheesed of with it, they must be laughing themselves horse at the public at large

[ianch99]

Remember we now in an era of Post-truth politics in which:

in which debate is framed largely by appeals to emotion disconnected from the details of policy, and by the repeated assertion of talking points to which factual rebuttals are ignored

Look at the way some people respond to different opinions? They just treat the whole thing as a big joke, behaving like toddlers in the playground.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Remember we now in an era of Post-truth politics in which:

Look at the way people respond to different opinions? They just treat the whole thing as a big joke, behaving like toddlers in the playground.

I've experienced this debating with people on both sides of both Brexit and the US election. I've actually brought facts into the debate. I've properly researched them, and cited my sources, yet, because the person I am debating with doesn't agree with them, they have dismissed them.

I've seen it here, and on facebook. An old school friend of mine (who was a liberal over here, but seems to be heading toward the Alt-right in the US) has continually ignored (or missed) the point of most of my posts on facebook about Brexit, the NHS and the US Election. One of his replies made me laugh. I'd asked him to cite sources for his assertions that Hillary Clinton is evil and racist. He helpfully provided a link to an article on Snopes.com that confirmed she was friends with a known white supremacist. What made me laugh was that had he read the article rather than just the headline, he'd have found that the senator in question was actually a reformed white supremacist and was actively working against the movement in general, and the KKK in particular.

That people ignore facts doesn't concern me in itself. What concerns me is those who have a problem with others thinking differently. I've experienced a fair bit of that since Brexit (on facebook).

I've been told I am wrong, and should **** off out of the country if I am not happy here. On the contrary, I am quite happy here. That doesn't mean I have to think the country is following the right path and I don't think it is). I have also been dismissed, and one person actually said I am likely to be amongst the first killed *when* the Muslims take over. In that case, I replied that would be good, as I don't want to live in a world where fascist attitudes like his are tolerated.

Then there are the people who say that predictions of doom after Brexit haven't happened, so are wrong. In response, I'd like to paraphrase Private Eye, who said something along the lines of (I can't type the original phrase as it would trip the swear filter) "The only reason the brown stuff hasn't hit the fan yet is no one has switched the fan on". Put simply, Brexit hasn't happened yet. It may be bad for the country, or it may be good. We won't know until it has started happening. Even then, the effects may not be felt for years.

I have removed some of the recent childish remarks.

Some of you need to grow up before posting, any more will see people taking a break from posting.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Remember we now in an era of Post-truth politics in which:

Look at the way some people respond to different opinions? They just treat the whole thing as a big joke, behaving like toddlers in the playground.

Originally Posted by Stuart

I've experienced this debating with people on both sides of both Brexit and the US election. I've actually brought facts into the debate. I've properly researched them, and cited my sources, yet, because the person I am debating with doesn't agree with them, they have dismissed them.

I've seen it here, and on facebook. An old school friend of mine (who was a liberal over here, but seems to be heading toward the Alt-right in the US) has continually ignored (or missed) the point of most of my posts on facebook about Brexit, the NHS and the US Election. One of his replies made me laugh. I'd asked him to cite sources for his assertions that Hillary Clinton is evil and racist. He helpfully provided a link to an article on Snopes.com that confirmed she was friends with a known white supremacist. What made me laugh was that had he read the article rather than just the headline, he'd have found that the senator in question was actually a reformed white supremacist and was actively working against the movement in general, and the KKK in particular.

That people ignore facts doesn't concern me in itself. What concerns me is those who have a problem with others thinking differently. I've experienced a fair bit of that since Brexit (on facebook).

I've been told I am wrong, and should **** off out of the country if I am not happy here. On the contrary, I am quite happy here. That doesn't mean I have to think the country is following the right path and I don't think it is). I have also been dismissed, and one person actually said I am likely to be amongst the first killed *when* the Muslims take over. In that case, I replied that would be good, as I don't want to live in a world where fascist attitudes like his are tolerated.

Then there are the people who say that predictions of doom after Brexit haven't happened, so are wrong. In response, I'd like to paraphrase Private Eye, who said something along the lines of (I can't type the original phrase as it would trip the swear filter) "The only reason the brown stuff hasn't hit the fan yet is no one has switched the fan on". Put simply, Brexit hasn't happened yet. It may be bad for the country, or it may be good. We won't know until it has started happening. Even then, the effects may not be felt for years.

Perhaps there are just people who don't agree with your opinion and you have become miffed at their unwillingness to engage in a line of 'debate' they consider to have been exhausted? You are a mod, this is the internet, you know how it works.

[Ramrod]

Whilst we are on the subject: students vote to ban ‘offensive’ newspapers at journalism school

students at City University — which boasts one of the country’s top journalism departments — have today taken action to narrow the field further. Students have voted for a campus ban on the Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express. Why? The student union has deemed the views expressed by these popular papers unacceptable — claiming their editorial lines fuel ‘fascism, racial tension and hatred in society’.

Libtards of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your brains.

Meh student unions are nonsense anyway but they get to choose what to stock in their shops. I suspect that's what the ban involves since they don't have the power to implement an actual ban. It's a akin to Liverpool refusing to stock The Sun. I wouldn't ban it but then I also had nothing to do with the Student Union precisely because this is the kind of nonsense they spent their time worrying about.

Incidentally you're using the American version of liberal again. These people wouldn't consider themselves liberals and neither would actual liberals.

[Ramrod]

Whilst what you say is correct, some of these idiots and others like them will go on to become influential journalists

[papa smurf]

Andrew Neil savages Hillary Clinton and Remainers with BRUTAL takedown on This Week

this made me smile warning not student friendly

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/733...ners-This-Week

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Andrew Neil savages Hillary Clinton and Remainers with BRUTAL takedown on This Week

this made me smile warning not student friendly

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/733...ners-This-Week

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Whilst what you say is correct, some of these idiots and others like them will go on to become influential journalists

Horror of Horrors! Some of them will actually go on to be Politicians!!!!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Horror of Horrors! Some of them will actually go on to be Politicians!!!!

i wonder if a student has ever gone on to be a soap sales person

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i wonder if a student has ever gone on to be a soap sales person

Many of them going to be scientists, Doctors, Teachers, engineers, programmers, historians and so on. I am sure some of them sell soap too, especially advertising and marketings.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Whilst we are on the subject: students vote to ban ‘offensive’ newspapers at journalism school

Libtards of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your brains.

"libtards"

Which is a contraction of 'liberal retards'.

Any discussion which involves insulting someone by calling them a retard really is starting from a very poor position, imho.

ymmv.