Post-Brexit Thread

[papa smurf]

Exclusive: Donald Trump's new chief strategist Steve Bannon 'will call Nigel Farage before Theresa May'

Steve Bannon, Mr Trump's chief strategist, will "run ideas" past the Ukip leader before discussing them with the British Prime Minister,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...bannon-will-c/

[denphone]

'There is no plan' for Brexit, leaked memo obtained by The Times and seen by the BBC says.

The memo - obtained by the Times and seen by the BBC - warns Whitehall is working on 500 Brexit-related projects and could need 30,000 extra staff.
However, there is still no common exit strategy "because of divisions within the cabinet", the leaked document adds.

The Times says the document also identifies cabinet splits between Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, Brexit Secretary David Davis and International Trade Secretary Liam Fox on one side, and Chancellor Philip Hammond and Business Secretary Greg Clark on the other.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...om-brexit-vote

l cannot say l am surprised by that sadly.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Exclusive: Donald Trump's new chief strategist Steve Bannon 'will call Nigel Farage before Theresa May'

Steve Bannon, Mr Trump's chief strategist, will "run ideas" past the Ukip leader before discussing them with the British Prime Minister,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...bannon-will-c/

And he'll quickly find that Nigel has no input or inside knowledge on the workings of the UK Government. Trade, Defense, Diplomacy. None of this is anything to do with Farage. So unless they're just going to engage in locker room talk then it's a wasted phone call.

This is just about feeding Farage's massive ego. A man who thinks two of the largest economies in the world, two members of the UN security council and two senior members of the NATO alliance should forego the State Department and Foreign Office, bypass the Secretary of State and the Foreign Secretary and ignore all the existing diplomatic ties and conduct affairs though him, Ol' Nigel, instead. He actually seemed quite upset that the Prime Minster of the United Kingdom chooses not to conduct her foreign policy though some jumped up egomaniac.

As for Steve Bannon it is a worrying sign of his amateurishness for the role.

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Originally Posted by denphone

'There is no plan' for Brexit, leaked memo obtained by The Times and seen by the BBC says.





http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...om-brexit-vote

l cannot say l am surprised by that sadly.

You wonder if they're actually pretty hopefully that the court process delays Article 50 so they have an excuse for more time.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

You wonder if they're actually pretty hopefully that the court process delays Article 50 so they have an excuse for more time.

As l say the majority voted for Brexit and that should be totally respected and carried out but one has to be pretty concerned so far on how things are playing out so far and we have only just turned into the corner of the next street currently.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

'There is no plan' for Brexit, leaked memo obtained by The Times and seen by the BBC says.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...om-brexit-vote

l cannot say l am surprised by that sadly.

The Government always pretended it had a strategy and said it didn't want to discuss it in Parliament as it would give away its hand. The opposition said that this was because the Government didn't have a strategy and now we know that they were correct. I had genuinely hoped that the Government did have a plan despite all appearances to the contrary. Nissan looked like making up policy on the hoof...which is likely it was.
I wonder if May will delay A50 even further, thereby invoking condemnation all round but giving herself more time to get a strategy in place. Or will she will go for short-term political expediency and invoke Article 50 and hope the Government can make up its mind before March. Going to the negotiating tables without a strategy is surely a recipe for disaster? It's a tough call. Personally, she can always do a Cameron and resign if she doesn't get agreement from her colleagues but who's to say they don't want this to happen?

Update. Maybe The Times is wrong. The Government is saying that the memo is pitch document and not one it commissioned. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

[Osem]

Who really cares? We're where we are now and now the vote is over I expects HMG to get on with all. The endless carping on about this that and the other might fill airtime and forum pages but it doesn't help create the impression that we're going to come together as nation and make the best of this. Unless we do that we won't get the best possible deal and whose interests will that serve? If we carry on scrutinising, questioning and challenging everything done in the minutest of detail all that'll result will be creeping paralysis. The sort of thing which is increasingly blighting major infrastructure projects. Nothing's perfect, HMG certainly isn't, but there has to come a time when we get over any mistakes made and get on with it.

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by Osem

Who really cares? We're where we are now and now the vote is over I expects HMG to get on with all. The endless carping on about this that and the other might fill airtime and forum pages but it doesn't help create the impression that we're going to come together as nation and make the best of this. Unless we do that we won't get the best possible deal and whose interests will that serve? If we carry on scrutinising, questioning and challenging everything done in the minutest of detail all that'll result will be creeping paralysis. The sort of thing which is increasingly blighting major infrastructure projects. Nothing's perfect, HMG certainly isn't, but there has to come a time when we get over any mistakes made and get on with it.

Quite right, let's crack on and harvest that snake oil

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Osem

Who really cares? We're where we are now and now the vote is over I expects HMG to get on with all. The endless carping on about this that and the other might fill airtime and forum pages but it doesn't help create the impression that we're going to come together as nation and make the best of this. Unless we do that we won't get the best possible deal and whose interests will that serve? If we carry on scrutinising, questioning and challenging everything done in the minutest of detail all that'll result will be creeping paralysis. The sort of thing which is increasingly blighting major infrastructure projects. Nothing's perfect, HMG certainly isn't, but there has to come a time when we get over any mistakes made and get on with it.

The point the leak made - and there is now a dispute about whether it's a leak or not - is that we're not getting over our mistakes and getting on with it!

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Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

Quite right, let's crack on and harvest that snake oil

Snake oil doesn't come cheaply and the FT is now talking of a €40m to €60m exit bill.
Subscriber link: https://www.ft.com/content/480b4ae0-...3-bb8207902122
Non-subscribers: Google "UK faces Brexit bill of up to €60bn as Brussels toughens stance"

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The point the leak made - and there is now a dispute about whether it's a leak or not - is that we're not getting over our mistakes and getting on with it!

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Snake oil doesn't come cheaply and the FT is now talking of a €40m to €60m exit bill.
Subscriber link: https://www.ft.com/content/480b4ae0-...3-bb8207902122
Non-subscribers: Google "UK faces Brexit bill of up to €60bn as Brussels toughens stance"

Ah but what price would you put on "getting your country back"?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The Government always pretended it had a strategy and said it didn't want to discuss it in Parliament as it would give away its hand.

"The Government pretended?" Really, it isn't the school playground.

The opposition said that this was because the Government didn't have a strategy and now we know that they were correct.

No they weren't.

I had genuinely hoped that the Government did have a plan despite all appearances to the contrary. Nissan looked like making up policy on the hoof...which is likely it was.

No it wasn't.

I wonder if May will delay A50 even further, thereby invoking condemnation all round but giving herself more time to get a strategy in place.

A limelight seeking ex-model and a hair dresser are responsible for possibly delaying A50.

Or will she will go for short-term political expediency and invoke Article 50 and hope the Government can make up its mind before March. Going to the negotiating tables without a strategy is surely a recipe for disaster?

No government would do that.

It's a tough call. Personally, she can always do a Cameron and resign if she doesn't get agreement from her colleagues but who's to say they don't want this to happen?

I can't see her resigning.

Update. Maybe The Times is wrong. The Government is saying that the memo is pitch document and not one it commissioned. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

It has been wonderful observing the penny slowly and painfully dropping. Keeping one's gob shut might have been the better choice though .

Sorry but i want a little more credibility then a leak and given how many remain supporters there are within government circles only an idiot takes anything at face value. There are too many people who'd be happy for the referendum to be ignored and the UK stay in the crumbling EU pretending that the federal utopian european dream continues. What's worse is that some seem to be happy for the UK to go down in flames so they can say "told you so" maybe we are too infantile to manage our own affairs.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Sorry but i want a little more credibility then a leak and given how many remain supporters there are within government circles only an idiot takes anything at face value. There are too many people who'd be happy for the referendum to be ignored and the UK stay in the crumbling EU pretending that the federal utopian european dream continues. What's worse is that some seem to be happy for the UK to go down in flames so they can say "told you so" maybe we are too infantile to manage our own affairs.

I think the country wants out to remove the uncertainty but not an out that plunges us over the cliff economically. That's why Parliament needs to pressurise the Government to act in the country's interests and not just short-term political expediency. I think concerns about plots are way off the mark and Labour has said it will support A50 so a few LibDem and Scottish MPs voting against won't impact the vote.
The leak did not sound like a pitch document to me, but who knows? It will be interesting to see what comes of it. As I said before - I hope the alleged leak is wrong and the Government's thinking is more advanced than this document suggests.

We have two years of negotiations ahead of us and parliament wants the government to lay out it's strategy on what planet does it make sense to let your opponent know everything before you even sit down at the table for the first time. I would imagine a number of options are being weighed and considered at the minute and nothing is fully finalised. Some of the largest voices for parliament knowing everything are also strong voices for remain so i doubt they are acting purely in the nations interest.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We have two years of negotiations ahead of us and parliament wants the government to lay out it's strategy on what planet does it make sense to let your opponent know everything before you even sit down at the table for the first time. I would imagine a number of options are being weighed and considered at the minute and nothing is fully finalised. Some of the largest voices for parliament knowing everything are also strong voices for remain so I doubt they are acting purely in the nations interest.

No one's asking for detail, just the over-arching strategy would be helpful to enable businesses to plan effectively.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The point the leak made - and there is now a dispute about whether it's a leak or not - is that we're not getting over our mistakes and getting on with it!

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Snake oil doesn't come cheaply and the FT is now talking of a €40m to €60m exit bill.
Subscriber link: https://www.ft.com/content/480b4ae0-...3-bb8207902122
Non-subscribers: Google "UK faces Brexit bill of up to €60bn as Brussels toughens stance"

got any pics of it on the side of a bus
you know we only believe whats written on the sides of buses -ding ding all aboard next stop brexit