09-11-2016, 17:02
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Am I a pedant in wanting future campaigns free of factual inaccuracies designed to nudge a few per cent over the line? Possibly but I can but hope.
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You will be waiting a long time Andrew as politicians from all sides are absolute experts at obfuscating and distorting the full truthful facts.
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09-11-2016, 17:14
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Am I a pedant in wanting future campaigns free of factual inaccuracies designed to nudge a few per cent over the line? Possibly but I can but hope.
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Seconded.
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09-11-2016, 17:20
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
The £350m wasn't plucked out of thin air. It has a basis in TRUTH. That is the figure the EU expects us to pay.
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09-11-2016, 17:39
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Originally Posted by nomadking
The £350m wasn't plucked out of thin air. It has a basis in TRUTH. That is the figure the EU expects us to pay.
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The slogan was a statement of fact about what the UK sends the EU each week. The EU expects and receives a lot less. Do you honestly think that someone at the EU is sat there emailing the UK going, "thanks for your cheque, now please make it up to £350m as that's what we expect?" That sounds ridiculous and I'm sure the EU would never get away with such an approach.
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09-11-2016, 17:45
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
Being called uneducated (which has been used by a few) or not college educated because of how you vote is insulting and also diminishes a vote that was made by someone and if i go by the circle of friends i have that voted it's completely inaccurate. Excuses can be and are made at election time and usually from the side that lost and are so blind to the faults in their belief they denigrate the vote others made.
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09-11-2016, 17:53
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Being called uneducated (which has been used by a few) or not college educated because of how you vote is insulting and also diminishes a vote that was made by someone and if i go by the circle of friends i have that voted it's completely inaccurate. Excuses can be and are made at election time and usually from the side that lost and are so blind to the faults in their belief they denigrate the vote others made.
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It's not insulting it's a demographic breakdown. It's not an excuse either.
Also you're not called 'not college educated' if you voted Brexit/Trump/whatever rather the numbers suggest that those groups make up a higher proportion of those who voted for those things. They are obviously people who vote that do not match that.
How are we meant to talk about these things if it's insulting to ever mention there are divides in the country?
People have different lives and experiences depending on their background, income, race, gender and religion.
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09-11-2016, 20:30
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
As some one who has had only 4 fights in their life (all at school over 30 years ago)
#isitok I want to punch the idiots how keep going on & on & on about the dam bus and their belief that the bus promised £350m to the NHS when it clearly didn't
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09-11-2016, 20:38
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
Nicola "Jimmy Cranky" Sturgeon should practice what she preaches 
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09-11-2016, 20:43
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Originally Posted by Hom3r
As some one who has had only 4 fights in their life (all at school over 30 years ago)
#isitok I want to punch the idiots how keep going on & on & on about the dam bus and their belief that the bus promised £350m to the NHS when it clearly didn't
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That's interesting but the debate I am on about is about people continually repeating factual inaccuracies when they have been warned by official bodies that they are incorrect. Saying that the UK sends £350m to Brussels every week is an example of such a statement.
I'm on about the ethics and looking forward, I hope the country improves in this area and learns from this situation.
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09-11-2016, 21:10
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
As regards factual inaccuracies no-one has said we send £350m per week to Brussels. All that has been said is that our total bill to Brussels equates to £350m per week.
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09-11-2016, 21:47
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Originally Posted by pip08456
As regards factual inaccuracies no-one has said we send £350m per week to Brussels. All that has been said is that our total bill to Brussels equates to £350m per week.
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Vote Leave has stated "We send £350m every week to the EU." No one else is disputing that point. Here's a tweet that evidences the claim: are. https://twitter.com/vote_leave/statu...26741712658432
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09-11-2016, 22:43
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
Whatever the claim was the main point is was it effective in swinging votes no one I've spoken too even knew about it and i certainly missed it wasn't till it was brought up on here that i heard about it so doubtful it made much impact in voting intention. Would i prefer to live in a world of only truth being told absolutely but then I'd like to live in a world where bacon sarnies are mandatory for breakfast and both are as likely as the other. Unless the political system actually realises whats happening they will continue as is lying, misrepresenting and exaggerating things. Do i like it no i don't does it put me off voting yes it does but stopping it is beyond my ability.
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09-11-2016, 23:17
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
#isitok to bate the stupid yanks.
You know how Trump was demanding Obama prove he was born in the USA, and still didn't believe it when it was done.
Well some on on Facebook said imagine Trump was born in Russia.
Well on idiot said
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A beautiful American.
There are none who are more American.
In fact, he built the country with his own hands."
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Well he's wrong & I replied
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No he's actually a immigrant like 99.9% of Americans, the only TRUE Americans are the Native American that have been murdered and had their land stolen
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Percentage may not be accurate
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09-11-2016, 23:55
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
That text going around also said he's adopted. Some going as far as saying he was born into a Muslim family.
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10-11-2016, 08:15
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Originally Posted by pip08456
As regards factual inaccuracies no-one has said we send £350m per week to Brussels. All that has been said is that our total bill to Brussels equates to £350m per week.
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try posting in Klingon -the message might get through there's no point in trying to Klingon we are leaving .
its sad that all they have left as an argument is a bus with a slogan on it ding ding all aboard next stop- Brexit...
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