Triple-lock pension should be scrapped, say MPs

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Kursk

So you're unhappy with your OAP parents and assume all OAPs to be cut from the same cloth? Not all pensioners are 'comfortable' and viewing this as a generational struggle is just succumbing to press rhetoric.

I can understand how your circumstances colour your judgement but pensioners are a soft target and, btw, you won't have your mum and dad forever. Better to be hounding big business to pay its fair share of tax than to make the lives of old people miserable by denying them a few bob.

No but I look at the DWP budget and see the vast majority of it is on pensions, and that big chunk is been treated specially, that is clearly wrong.

By the way, whats your opinion on papa smurf's stereotyping?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

well at least we know what work is .

I dont know if you are just really misguided or trolling. Shocking state of affairs if many people agree with you.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I too have issues with that termination, perhaps those that think it is just that should have a read of this.

http://www.ageuk.org.uk/Documents/EN....pdf?dtrk=true

It is a benefit pip.

Like working age benefits e.g. there is contribution based factors e.g. contribution based JSA and contribution based ESA are both classed as benefits, yet they can only be claimed by someone who has paid enough national insurance.

I think the only reason you two have an issue with it been called a benefit is because its for a different set of people "pensioners".

Either pensions are a benefit, or JSA and ESA are also not benefits. You cannot have it both ways.

Incidentally contribution based working age benefits are actually cash flow positive so are viable, pensions however are not and require subsidy from working age budgets hence the squeeze been put on them.

Do I need to make a list of how hard things are getting for the younger generations.

University fees
Housing costs relative to income levels
Zero hour contracts
Social housing
Retirement age
PIP replacing DLA (mysteriously tho pensioners are exempt from this change and DLA can still be claimed by them in PIP areas).

A pensioner claiming DLA, does DLA magically stop becoming a benefit also?

This is a big part of the problem, people seemingly have no issue with the way young people are been treated but as soon as someone mentions that pensions maybe should be treated "equally" not "worse" then its suddenly unacceptable.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

No but I look at the DWP budget and see the vast majority of it is on pensions, and that big chunk is been treated specially, that is clearly wrong.

Your view is entrenched in your personal circumstances.

I am more altruistic and I'm quite happy for them to receive a payment that allows them to eat and keep warm. The vast majority will, as Maggie says, be supporting younger people in one way or another. It's just unfortunate for you that your OAP parents expect handouts from you; I suppose if they were to get less from the state, they'd want even more from you. Catch 22.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

It is a benefit pip.

Like working age benefits e.g. there is contribution based factors e.g. contribution based JSA and contribution based ESA are both classed as benefits, yet they can only be claimed by someone who has paid enough national insurance.

I think the only reason you two have an issue with it been called a benefit is because its for a different set of people "pensioners".

Either pensions are a benefit, or JSA and ESA are also not benefits. You cannot have it both ways.

Incidentally contribution based working age benefits are actually cash flow positive so are viable, pensions however are not and require subsidy from working age budgets hence the squeeze been put on them.
.

For the older generations the pension has always been seen as a reward for working and contributing to society,something you earned ,when i was young and when my dad was working it was shameful to claim benefits for any length of time or even at all,nowadays it seems that claiming out of work benefits is quite normal and part of being an adult .It doesn't surprise me that the younger generation see the state pension as a benefit

Originally Posted by Kursk

Your view is entrenched in your personal circumstances.

I am more altruistic and I'm quite happy for them to receive a payment that allows them to eat and keep warm. The vast majority will, as Maggie says, be supporting younger people in one way or another. It's just unfortunate for you that your OAP parents expect handouts from you; I suppose if they were to get less from the state, they'd want even more from you. Catch 22.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

No but I look at the DWP budget and see the vast majority of it is on pensions, and that big chunk is been treated specially, that is clearly wrong.

By the way, whats your opinion on papa smurf's stereotyping?

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I dont know if you are just really misguided or trolling. Shocking state of affairs if many people agree with you.

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It is a benefit pip.

Like working age benefits e.g. there is contribution based factors e.g. contribution based JSA and contribution based ESA are both classed as benefits, yet they can only be claimed by someone who has paid enough national insurance.

I think the only reason you two have an issue with it been called a benefit is because its for a different set of people "pensioners".

Either pensions are a benefit, or JSA and ESA are also not benefits. You cannot have it both ways.

Incidentally contribution based working age benefits are actually cash flow positive so are viable, pensions however are not and require subsidy from working age budgets hence the squeeze been put on them.

Do I need to make a list of how hard things are getting for the younger generations.

University fees
Housing costs relative to income levels
Zero hour contracts
Social housing
Retirement age
PIP replacing DLA (mysteriously tho pensioners are exempt from this change and DLA can still be claimed by them in PIP areas).

A pensioner claiming DLA, does DLA magically stop becoming a benefit also?

This is a big part of the problem, people seemingly have no issue with the way young people are been treated but as soon as someone mentions that pensions maybe should be treated "equally" not "worse" then its suddenly unacceptable.

You do realise that you are going to be a pensioner at some point..will you be pleased to be told that you cannot receive enough to live on because you have to make way for someone younger?

I personally am OK because I also paid into my works pension..but not everyone had/has the spare cash to do that.

[Taf]

Doesn't DLA change to Attendance Allowance after state retirement age?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Taf

Doesn't DLA change to Attendance Allowance after state retirement age?

Not with a member of our wider family as she had to retire from work due to ill health and she is now 71 and still gets DLA.