Post-Brexit Thread - Page 164

Hom3r · 03-11-2016, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Dave42

Brexiteers are touchingly terrified of the Parliamentary sovereignty they supposedly champion

Nope, my town voted to leave the EU, and if our MP make things awkward for the Article 50 to proceed I can almost guarantee he will not be voted in next time.

ianch99 · 03-11-2016, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Ah hahahahahaha.

Oh wait - you're being serious....

I needed something to cheer me up today ... this is it .. thank you

Mr K · 03-11-2016, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Nope, my town voted to leave the EU, and if our MP make things awkward for the Article 50 to proceed I can almost guarantee he will not be voted in next time.

Proud to say my town, being an educated place, voted to remain. Our MP is a Tory brexiter - I shall be dropping him a line to make sure he represents the views of his constituents if parliament gets a debate

1andrew1 · 03-11-2016, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Nope, my town voted to leave the EU, and if our MP make things awkward for the Article 50 to proceed I can almost guarantee he will not be voted in next time.

It really depends by what percentage they voted to leave and the strength and positions of the other MPs. In Richmond, Zac Goldsmith is likely to be re-elected but his constitutents voted 72% to remain. People vote for other things apart from Brexit.
And of course, opinions change. We saw oday that many Asians who were targeted by Vote Leave have felt they were betrayed as Indian Sub-Continent work visas have not increased and they feel this threatens the viability of Indian restaurants in the UK. The growth of hate crime post the Brexit vote and steep rise in imported ingredients costs due to the weakened £ has further eroded support from this demographic.

**Damien** · 03-11-2016, 22:01

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Originally Posted by Mick

Not trying to be rude here but am I speaking a foreign language? I have said twice now, now third time, that Parliament already took part in a democratic process and it was voted 6 to 1 to hand the decision back to the people via another democratic process. I am well aware it is not binding, but then you got MPs saying it is, whom am I to take more notice of, these are the law makers after all ?

I think the issue here is what would you have happen? The problem as I see it is that they didn't make it legally binding (when MPs say it's binding I assume they mean politically). That's a mistake that we can't rectify now.

The judges can only deal with the law. They can't take public mood into account, it's not their job. So whilst I agree with you that it's both morally and politically right for the Government to enact Brexit the law says it doesn't have the power to do so. The judges probably made the right decision.

The next question is if that law is correct. I believe it is because the alternative is that the Government can revoke acts passed by Parliament without a Parliamentary vote. Now in this case that isn't a major crisis because we know she has the public behind here on that. However the law and Parliamentary process is technical and doesn't allow for exceptions such as that.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It really depends by what percentage they voted to leave and the strength and positions of the other MPs. In Richmond, Zac Goldsmith is likely to be re-elected but his constitutents voted 72% to remain. People vote for other things apart from Brexit.
And of course, opinions change. We saw oday that many Asians who were targeted by Vote Leave have felt they were betrayed as Indian Sub-Continent work visas have not increased and they feel this threatens the viability of Indian restaurants in the UK. The growth of hate crime post the Brexit vote and steep rise in imported ingredients costs due to the weakened £ has further eroded support from this demographic.

It's not going to happen unless they have some significant cover. Many Remainers accept that their MP should vote for Brexit because of the referendum rather than have this default to what their constituency voted for. There would need to be a material change in the situation as well as a significant shift in public mood for this to even be considered by the majority of Remain-backing MPs.

1andrew1 · 03-11-2016, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Damien

It's not going to happen unless they have some significant cover. Many Remainers accept that their MP should vote for Brexit because of the referendum rather than have this default to what their constituency voted for. There would need to be a material change in the situation as well as a significant shift in public mood for this to even be considered by the majority of Remain-backing MPs.

What I was talking about was the hypothetical situation Hom3r raised of his MP voting to remain whilst the constituents voted to leave. And that it wouldn't necessarily result in his MP being booted out, although this could be quite likely.

**Hugh** · 03-11-2016, 22:48

We voted to leave, so we should leave - I would just like Parliamentary oversight on the process.

1andrew1 · 03-11-2016, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh

We voted to leave, so we should leave - I would just like Parliamentiary oversight on the process.

And I'm sure we'll get that scrutiny rather than leaving matters in the hands of the three wise men - Davis, Fox and Johnson.

**Damien** · 03-11-2016, 22:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh

We voted to leave, so we should leave - I would just like Parliamentiary oversight on the process.

Yes the Brexit deal will have winners and losers. Some industries won't have the same access to the single market as others for example. Why shouldn't Parliament have a say in that? Rather than May presenting a fait accompli that might screw over some MP's constituencies.

**Mick** · 03-11-2016, 23:05

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Originally Posted by Hugh

We voted to leave, so we should leave - I would just like Parliamentary oversight on the process.

But my problem with this is, I am cautious of people wanting to hijack this process and turn it in to a Brexit veto and political parties that are not in power blackmailing the government and insisting on certain conditions to win their vote. I certainly did not vote, for the leave process to either be watered down or stopped in it's tracks.

Anypermitedroute · 03-11-2016, 23:11

They lost the court battle, stop wingeing about it!!!
I do wish brexiteers should stop moaning about it and get on with making parliament work, I do wish we should stop talking legal system down like it prevents the odd murder or two and instead be positive for a change about making decisions within the confinements of law. We have a great opportunity to be creative here and make it perfectly legal.

Because they lost court battle I strongly believe the law means the law and we must adhere to it and I am pushing for a hard act of full reading of acts followed by several months of House of Lords debate followed by autumn statement of intent and a general election

After all, this is about taking control after all

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1andrew1 · 03-11-2016, 23:15

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Originally Posted by Mick

But my problem with this is, I am cautious of people wanting to hijack this process and turn it in to a Brexit veto and political parties that are not in power blackmailing the government and insisting on certain conditions to win their vote. I certainly did not vote, for the leave process to either be watered down or stopped in it's tracks.

The country voted for leave. It didn't decide when it would happen. It didn't decide the terms of the departure so there is nothing to water down/thicken up in the first place. Brexit means Brexit. Theresa May has said she's sticking to her timetable so I can't see what leavers have to worry about.

**Maggy** · 03-11-2016, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Hugh

We voted to leave, so we should leave - I would just like Parliamentary oversight on the process.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The country voted for leave. It didn't decide when it would happen. It didn't decide the terms of the departure so there is nothing to water down/thicken up in the first place. Brexit means Brexit. Theresa May has said she's sticking to her timetable so I can't see what leavers have to worry about.

Exactly!

**Chris** · 03-11-2016, 23:58

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nomadking · 04-11-2016, 00:03

If Scotland had voted Yes in their referendum, would anyone seriously be saying that Parliament had to still to ratify it and would say no?