Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by pip08456

I have no regrets either. Like you I voted from over 40 yrs of experience of Europe and it's political masters and policies.

You're a bit younger than my parents and they remember the pre-EU years, they said it was the best era for jobs, they said you could walk out of a job on Friday and walk in to another Monday, they said the problems started when we joined back in 1972 and they said it's been down hill from then on and the slope has got steeper, in recent years.

Politicians all over the west are pretty poor quality wise atm but getting out of the EU leaves us with one sub par group rather then 27 and by leaving the EU as has already been said once we kick them out they can't hop over to brussels and get their snout in that trough. My vote had zero to do with the campaigns i honestly couldn't care less what was in either sides lousy attempt at a campaign but it was based on my personal view of the EU which was formed over many years.

As to the name calling that's continuing it really is pathetic but it's being carried out by a minority from both camps not the majority as i believe the majority genuinely want the best for the UK they just differed in how that would be achieved. Things right now look bad for the UK but give it a year things won't be looking so bad and for everyone i knew that voted leave it wasn't about the short term but the long term and there are a few surprises to come the day we officially leave the EU that will help.

[papa smurf]

Hard Brexit 'to leave Brussels coughing up £13BILLION a year to trade with Britain'


British firms would face a lower bill of just £5.2billion – adding weight behind the argument that it’s in the EU’s best interest to dish out a favourable trade deal with the UK.

According to Civitas, all but five of the 27 EU states would face more tariffs on exports to the UK than British firms would pay to send their goods into the continent.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/724...sation-germany

I think it's bordering on utter delusion if, in addition to getting all these excellent trade deals, they'll pay us £13 billion for the chance to do so.

Perhaps they may do what has been suggested we do - find different markets without those tariffs for their goods and services...

Here is the actual article from Civitas.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/reports_ar...r-eu-uk-trade/

This is a reflection of the current balance of trade between the EU and the UK. As a net importer of EU goods the UK government would potentially collect over twice as much in tariffs on EU goods than would be levied on UK goods going to the EU.

Of course, a high-level aggregate approach of this nature obscures the direct impact on the ground. It is unlikely to provide much comfort to a British exporter facing higher costs to learn that overall the UK is a net ‘winner’ or to be told that his overseas competitors are left in an even worse position. However, the £12.9 billion in additional revenues would provide the UK government with significantly more funds than our EU counterparts to invest in boosting the UK economy, or to implement on ‘mitigation’ measures to counteract the impact (within the bounds of WTO rules).

That said, these tariffs would be a cost that would be damaging to both UK and EU exporters and should put pressure on both sides in the negotiations to achieve a deal that is in the interest of their own economies.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think it's bordering on utter delusion if, in addition to getting all these excellent trade deals, they'll pay us £13 billion for the chance to do so.

its because were worth it

[1andrew1]

Microsoft Hikes U.K. Prices of Enterprise Products Amid Brexit

"...From Jan. 1, prices of on-premises enterprise software will be hiked 13 percent, while those of cloud services will increase 22 percent, all to realign with euro-based contracts, the company said in a blog post. Consumer software or cloud products won’t be affected, Microsoft said.

The slump of the pound since the Brexit vote has translated into a series of price hikes for consumers in the U.K. In the technology space, British consumers found out last month they’d pay as much as 16 percent more for the latest iPhone models compared to previous versions, a bigger inflation than for buyers in the U.S. or Germany.

The pound has fallen more than 16% against the dollar since the Brexit vote on June 23 and has been struggling this month amid discussions on what the divorce will mean for Britain’s access to Europe’s single market."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ts-amid-brexit

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think it's bordering on utter delusion if, in addition to getting all these excellent trade deals, they'll pay us £13 billion for the chance to do so.

Tariffs will penalise both the EU and UK but politicians are driven by politics not commerce. The EU won't want to encourage the break-up of the bloc by agreeing a uniquely favourable deal with the UK. And May doesn't look keen on accepting the principle of freedom of movement as this would antagonise her party. But's let hope that information like the tariffs calculations encourages a mutually beneficial deal.

More pressingly, exporters are increasing concerned about a key HMRC IT project.

The Financial Times Should Britain leave the EU customs union, through which the bloc sets a common tariff, all imports and exports to the EU will require customs declarations and separate security checks. As a result, officials have sought to scale up the new customs system’s maximum capacity to 350m declarations a year, against approximately 50m filings now handled and 100m that the new system was originally designed to process.

Mindful of the poor history of big public-sector computer projects in the UK, industry groups are raising the alarm over the risk of mistakes in the three-year-old IT programme, which was facing difficulties even before Brexit.

https://www.ft.com/content/3876648e-...b-70e3cabccfae

[papa smurf]

Brexit fear-mongers to be proved WRONG by economy growth, figures to show

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...d-quarter-2016

But we haven't done Brexit yet...

And as has been pointed up numerous times, a large percentage of the FTSE 100 are making profits from overseas sales, which benefit from the weak pound.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...p-in-sterling/

FTSE 100 companies derive about 70pc of their sales overseas, which become more valuable when brought back to the UK when the pound is weak

[1andrew1]

ITV cuts 120 jobs as Brexit uncertainty slows UK TV ad market

"ITV has announced plans to cut 120 jobs due to “political and economic uncertainty”, particularly concerns over the possible impact of Brexit.
UK broadcasters are facing the worst year for TV advertising since 2009, with total revenues set to decline by up to 2%."

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rtising-market

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

ITV cuts 120 jobs as Brexit uncertainty slows UK TV ad market

"ITV has announced plans to cut 120 jobs due to “political and economic uncertainty”, particularly concerns over the possible impact of Brexit.
UK broadcasters are facing the worst year for TV advertising since 2009, with total revenues set to decline by up to 2%."

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rtising-market

I think that has more to do with the change in peoples viewing habits than Brexit ,it's been on the cards for a while .

can't wait to see what else is blamed on Brexit,getting silly now

[denphone]

Sadly nothing seems to have been learned from the awful referendum campaign from both sides and still it goes on and on from both sides and would it not be nice for once for bloody politicians instead of putting their selfish political own interests first putting the country first for once but alas that's probably too much to expect from politicians from all sides to do as it would probably need a miracle for that to happen sadly.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I have no regrets either. Like you I voted from over 40 yrs of experience of Europe and it's political masters and policies.

Of course you have no regrets, nothing has actually happened yet !!

Be interesting to see what happens IF it all goes horribly wrong, will you regret it then?

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Originally Posted by Mick

You're a bit younger than my parents and they remember the pre-EU years, they said it was the best era for jobs, they said you could walk out of a job on Friday and walk in to another Monday, they said the problems started when we joined back in 1972 and they said it's been down hill from then on and the slope has got steeper, in recent years.

Ah yes, because membership provided no benefits for workers at all whatsoever did it....

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ah yes, because membership provided no benefits for workers at all whatsoever did it....

Those workers benefits would have happened anyway.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by martyh

Those workers benefits would have happened anyway.

And if they did (of which there is no proof) then you have this...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6901146.html