Post-Brexit Thread - Page 146

denphone · 23-10-2016, 07:22

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Originally Posted by techguyone

It's still not the same as 'we will give'

Still its very typical of many of the insincere , prevaricating , mendacious politicians that are prevalent in this country sadly.

TheDaddy · 23-10-2016, 08:20

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Originally Posted by Mick

'Let's give', is a suggestion,

'We are going to give.' Is confirming an action.

'Let's go to the park.' Is a suggestion.

'We're going to the park.' Is a confirmation.

You need to take up your own advice.

Either way, I and many others had made up their mind, way before any promises had been made and let's not forget, there was LIES on either side of the campaigns.

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I saw that comment from 1andrew1 and it was pathetic. It was an uneducated remark/attack, typically attributed to a narrow minded remoaner. I believe the social term, is 'trolling.'

Let means allow or permit and let us is a exhortation of that, not a suggestion of it. Still let's not fall out over the meaning of words, it's not like the English language is important enough for the negotiations to be carried out in it

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7373556.html

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Originally Posted by denphone

Still its very typical of many of the insincere , prevaricating , mendacious politicians that are prevalent in this country sadly.

They're part of the reason we're leaving, people are fed up with them feathering their own nests.

denphone · 23-10-2016, 08:42

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They're part of the reason we're leaving, people are fed up with them feathering their own nests.

And do you think anything will change regarding our perfidious and duplicitous politicians now we are going out of Europe TD?.

TheDaddy · 23-10-2016, 09:11

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Originally Posted by denphone

And do you think anything will change regarding our perfidious and duplicitous politicians now we are going out of Europe TD?.

Yes, they won't be jumping on the EU gravy train anymore once they've been found out to be a waste of space in parliament for a start

**Damien** · 23-10-2016, 09:17

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Now we're unpatriotic as well is there any negative term not yet applied to brexit voters fed up of the whole thing.

I think he is intentionally mocking the use of unpatriotic to describe Remain voters.

papa smurf · 23-10-2016, 09:52

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think he is intentionally mocking the use of unpatriotic to describe Remain voters.

if you say so

23-10-2016, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think he is intentionally mocking the use of unpatriotic to describe Remain voters.

except that no where in that article linked was unpatriotic used ,it was all on 1andrew1.

Anyhoo ,all the Crown Estate could do is raise the cost of a lease on Regents street to cover the shortfall ,which is not considered to be major problem anyway

1andrew1 · 23-10-2016, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Damien

I think he is intentionally mocking the use of unpatriotic to describe Remain voters.

Just demonstrating that the term "unpatriotic" can also be applied to people who voted to leave the EU and that overall it's daft to call people unpatriotic because they voted in one particular way.

papa smurf · 23-10-2016, 10:52

unpatriotic
not enthusiastically supporting one's country and its ways of life

denphone · 23-10-2016, 11:29

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

unpatriotic
not enthusiastically supporting one's country and its ways of life

l support this country and its way of life but l did not vote for Brexit so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Osem · 23-10-2016, 11:35

This entire argument is utter nonsense - is anyone seriously suggesting that the Brexit campaign* had the power to make any spending pledges? Come on guys, let's get real just for a few minutes. Whatever the intention or the figures quoted (which we can argue about ) the statement (along with all the others made by both sides) was an aspiration and that's all it could ever have been. I'd wager that every single person who's now claiming it was a promise would have been jumping up and down screaming if the actual wording chosen by Brexit had been "We promise to spend the £350m we'll save on the NHS". Forget the numbers, the Brexit campaign would have been shot to pieces by the media for promising what they had no power to deliver. They weren't because they didn't, simples.

It's funny how the argument has shifted from the £350m pw to spurious claims that a campaign group could somehow dictate future government policy. It's laughable.

* as opposed to the government of the day

papa smurf · 23-10-2016, 11:49

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Originally Posted by denphone

l support this country and its way of life but l did not vote for Brexit so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

well thanks to the intervention of my children i no longer smoke [or should i say no longer allowed to smoke] but i get what your saying you patriotically support the Brussels/EU model of what being patriotic is .

**Damien** · 23-10-2016, 11:59

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

unpatriotic
not enthusiastically supporting one's country and its ways of life

That's not it though. There have been attempts by some to redefine patriotism as unquestioning support of both Brexit and the governments pursuit of a deal. It's an attempt to shame political opponents.

Now it's not something that especially bothers me, it's hardly a new tactic in politics and I don't really care if people think I am patriotic or not. I just find that fact than 1andrew1 use of it suddenly does bother people when applied to Brexit supporters amusing. I think he got the reaction he was looking for.

denphone · 23-10-2016, 12:03

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

well thanks to the intervention of my children i no longer smoke [or should i say no longer allowed to smoke] but i get what your saying you patriotically support the Brussels/EU model of what being patriotic is .

What a load of gibberish guff but alas that is becoming increasingly common from you.

1andrew1 · 23-10-2016, 12:03

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Originally Posted by denphone

l support this country and its way of life but l did not vote for Brexit so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

You could argue that supporting its way of life suggest no change in the status quo ie remain in the EU.

I wanted to demonstrate that you can be accused of being unpatriotic whichever way you voted. To accuse people of being unpatriotic as papers like The Express do is not constructive and can be offensive.