Post-Brexit Thread

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

I'm going out on a limb and say actually he does

And certainly more than boris Johnson

Thank you but I can't claim to be an expert, I just read things and don't ignore them because they don't fit with my own opinions. This puts me at odds with huge swathes of the Conservative party.

I appear to need to make this clear to a poster; when I said I had no intention of reading further output from you I did mean it.



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To be honest, though, I suspect Theresa May does know more about this stuff than me. She just doesn't care as she'd rather court the UKIP vote than serve the country or even obey the instruction of the British people.

On what the government should prioritise when negotiating Brexit:
Reducing migration: 39%
Favourable trade deals: 49%
(via ComRes)

Brexit means Brexit means whatever will win the Conservative Party the most votes, regardless of whether or not the nation has had second thoughts to the point where remain would win a referendum now some of the impacts have become clearer, or doesn't subscribe to the Conservative view that immigration is the red line.

The patriotic thing to do, as opposed to the Mail and Express's demands to just accept it all, is to react with anger and disgust at the government throwing the country under a bus to win votes. The cynical, careless politicking during the Conservative Party conference has utterly screwed up any chances of our finding a mutually beneficial deal with the European Union as we leave, and the bribery of Nissan is ridiculous given a major part of the case to leave was to take back control of our finances. Rather than giving money to the EU we're apparently going to be handing money directly to multinationals to bribe them into continuing to employ people. Is this supposed to be a better deal than remaining? Being held hostage by multinational corporations whose demands will never end?

A bunch of people voted with a 'soft Brexit' in mind. They are rapidly learning that they are going to be disappointed. Many more people voted because they believed the pile of BS that Boris Johnson and others sold them. They are increasingly learning that they are going to be disappointed. Post-Brexit people are having sunshine blown up their hindmost by David Davis, and while he and others say one thing the actions of the government show beyond any shadow of a doubt that they are lying.

I have absolutely no interest in stopping Brexit. If it works out well I will be delighted and we'll all win. If it goes completely pear shaped UKIP will be devastated, the Conservative Party will take a pounding and the UK may actually learn some humility and stop believing the jingoistic nonsense the Mail, Express and Three Brexiteers feed us.

We're a great country, one with an amazing history, a compassionate nature, a strong sense of moral justice and an enviable national identity. We are way better than the Britain portrayed recently and I very much hope we prove it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

I'm going out on a limb and say actually he does.
And certainly more than boris Johnson

Ignitionnet knows his stuff but by choosing Johnson you have set the bar rather low.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ignitionnet knows his stuff but by choosing Johnson you have set the bar rather low.

I'm an IT guy, but I have the Internet and use a variety of sources some of which don't agree with me therefore can research things.

I very much stand on the shoulders of giants.

I have had a crash course in fiscal and monetary policy over the past months, mind.

Perhaps I should start posting full citations with every post?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I have had a crash course in fiscal and monetary policy over the past months, mind.

Perhaps I should start posting full citations with every post?

I wouldn't, we don't like experts anymore

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I wouldn't, we don't like experts anymore

I was never interested in being popular anyway.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I was never interested in being popular anyway.

Unlike Mrs May. In that case cite away.

[Ignitionnet]

What a surprise.

http://news.sky.com/story/boris-john...ealed-10619546

The content of a secret newspaper column written by Boris Johnson urging Britain to stay in the EU have been revealed.

According to a new book on the EU referendum campaign, he declared: "Britain is a great nation, a global force for good. It is surely a boon for the world and for Europe that she should be *intimately engaged in the EU."

His unpublished article for The Daily Telegraph was written two days before his shock announcement that he would campaign to leave.

He referred to warnings that Brexit could lead to an economic shock, Scottish independence and Russian aggression, according to All Out War, by Sunday Times political editor Tim Shipman.

What a piece of excrement.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Unlike Mrs May. In that case cite away.

Duly will, see above.

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https://youtu.be/jQjrdp8ZtgQ?t=339

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We haven't left the European Union yet, and won't do for at least another 2.5 years, until then we keep paying into it.

So even if we were to spend some of the EU money on the NHS it Wouldn't see it for around 3 years from now. so it still has to sort itself out now.

Touching that you still believe ... please post back in 2.5 years when the Government spends the EU money on the NHS ... just to remind us on how you weren't lied to?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

I'm going out on a limb and say actually he does

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ignitionnet knows his stuff but by choosing Johnson you have set the bar rather low.

Oh please, Ignitionnet is a Google plagiariser and, despite his protestations about ignoring posts his use of paraphrasing gives him away:

Originally Posted by Kursk

He's not standing on the shoulders of giants

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I very much stand on the shoulders of giants.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Touching that you still believe ... please post back in 2.5 years when the Government spends the EU money on the NHS ... just to remind us on how you weren't lied to?

I was merely pointing out that you were saying the government were failing to put the money the promised from Brexit into the NHS, and that there is no money from Brexit yet as we haven't left yet and won't for at least 2 years.

So to have a go at the government for their post Brexit spending promises now is a bit premature.

[papa smurf]

Theresa May will probably get a good Brexit deal, but nobody can say so

There is no way that the Prime Minister could contemplate doing something as stupid as setting out in Parliament what she hopes to obtain in Brexit negotiations

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7363026.html

[Smitherz87]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Touching that you still believe ... please post back in 2.5 years when the Government spends the EU money on the NHS ... just to remind us on how you weren't lied to?

I don't recall anyone saying the whole figure that gets paid to the EU will all go to the NHS.




I take from that statement on the bus the NHS is where we could be sending it, most are aware its much more complex than taking money from A and giving it to B. I never saw it as a problem then and I still don't see it as a problem now. Once we have untangled ourselves from the EU mess in around 5 years I don't doubt the NHS could possibly benefit from all this.

Originally Posted by Smitherz87

I don't recall anyone saying the whole figure that gets paid to the EU will all go to the NHS.




I take from that statement on the bus the NHS is where we could be sending it, most are aware its much more complex than taking money from A and giving it to B. I never saw it as a problem then and I still don't see it as a problem now. Once we have untangled ourselves from the EU mess in around 5 years I don't doubt the NHS could possibly benefit from all this.

True - the specific pledge was £100 million a week...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7105246.html

Mr Grayling told ITV's Good Morning Britain that Vote Leave had only ever suggested spending £100 million a week on the NHS.

He insisted: "The specific proposal by the Vote Leave campaign was in fact to spend £100 million a week of that on the NHS. I hope that aspiration will be met."

However, the implication was that all the money would be available...

And on the Leave campaign posters, it said “Let’s give our NHS the £350 million the EU takes every week.” - pretty unequivocal...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0d2571149c4d1

[Kursk]

Don't panic everyone CLEGG turned up on Andrew Marr to save us all.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Don't panic everyone CLEGG turned up on Andrew Marr to save us all.

i was shocked to hear his family holiday to Spain had increased in price and lets not get started on the price of texting .

its still cheap here in Cleethorpes book early