Boris calls for protests outside Russian embassy

Originally Posted by Kursk

I see Western values in their culture and poilitics. Perhaps to more permanently align our objectives we might see more value in their point of view.

They're a dictatorship whose opposition politicians seem to end up in jail or dead. Places were journalists critical of the Kremlin end up dead. They don't share what should be considered Western values (but many here increasingly advocate abandoning). They're frequently trying to poison our political discourse by spreading false stories designed, not to promote Russia, but pit us against each other.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

They're a dictatorship whose opposition politicians seem to end up in jail or dead. Places were journalists critical of the Kremlin end up dead. They don't share what should be considered Western values (but many here increasingly advocate abandoning). They're frequently trying to poison our political discourse by spreading false stories designed, not to promote Russia, but pit us against each other.

And so it perpetuates. Diplomacy has to find a way around the fate you have written for us.

Originally Posted by Kursk

And so it perpetuates. Diplomacy has to find a way around the fate you have written for us.

Yes, very good. A+.

Diplomacy does not mean appeasing a regime that does these things. We treat them with caution and we not count them as an ally.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yes, very good. A+.

Democracy does not mean appeasing a regime that does these things. We treat them with caution and we not count them as an ally.

The word was diplomacy; E -

Originally Posted by Kursk

The word was diplomacy; E -

Typo

But yes, diplomacy doesn't mean we treat Russia as an ally or confuse Russia for what it is, a danger to the West.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

Typo

But yes, diplomacy doesn't mean we treat Russia as an ally or confuse Russia for what it is, a danger to the West.

Diplomacy involves treating others with respect and coming to a mutually acceptable accord by negotiation; not achieved by bellicose statements with pre-formed notions. Imho.

Besides, what will a rally outside the Russian embassy achieve?: nothing. Except inconvenience for ordinary people going about their work. Pah.

Boris isn't shoulder-charging little kiddies in a game of pretend rugby. He's up against the big boys now.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Diplomacy involves treating others with respect and coming to a mutually acceptable accord by negotiation; not achieved by bellicose statements with pre-formed notions. Imho.

How do you know you can trust the agreements or not be manipulated by someone with an alternative agenda? I don't think we can trust Russia, or Putin I should say, at all.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

How do you know you can trust the agreements or not be manipulated by someone with an alternative agenda? I don't think we can trust Russia, or Putin I should say, at all.

The same question will have occurred to the Russians.

Diplomacy maintains the balance; it is delicate. Daft statements unhelpfully disrupt the equilibrium.

Originally Posted by Kursk

The same question will have occurred to the Russians.

Diplomacy maintains the balance; it is delicate. Daft statements unhelpfully disrupt the equilibrium.

Invading sovereign countries and annexing parts of them doesn't help either...

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Invading sovereign countries and annexing parts of them doesn't help either...

But they didn't do that remember...

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Invading sovereign countries and annexing parts of them doesn't help either...

Yes that has happened a few times before and history does have a habit of repeating itself further down the road.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Invading sovereign countries and annexing parts of them doesn't help either...

Remind me - have we ever done that?

Originally Posted by Kursk

Remind me - have we ever done that?

Yes but so what? This isn't then and incidentally the British Empire isn't loved around the world. Russia don't get a free pass because of what's happened before. They're responsible for their actions now and so are we.

I don't trust Russia i sure as hell don't like what it's become under Putin but there is zero trust on either side with good reason and both sides are to blame. Putin is a calculated chancer and he's taken advantage of situations the west has created, that said his reign of terror in Russia is taking a toll not just on other nations but ordinary Russian's and they desperately need to find a way to get rid of him though how they do that i don't know .

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Russia is taking a toll not just on other nations but ordinary Russian's and they desperately need to find a way to get rid of him though how they do that i don't know .

They could assassinate him.
or make it look like an accident with his brakes on his car.
put something in his vodka?