Should EU migrants be made to leave the UK?

[RichardCoulter]

I'm inclined to agree.

Also, lot of people who have left the UK to live elsewhere in the EU are pensioners.

As such, they usually buy their own housing, have an independent income from their UK pensions and don't normally require work.

Many return to the UK if they become very ill or elderly as they prefer our NHS.

This is a complete contrast to the migrants coming here and whilst eg Spain would have a moral argument for sending our pensioners back, they'd be foolish to do so.

Originally Posted by Taf

Bring in a points system, and stick to it.

definitely not ,we already have a points based system for immigrants outside the EU and that works great ...not

any system introduced that allows immigrants in by default because they meet certain criteria is not good ,they must be treated on a case by case basis.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Taf

If you think "the majority" of migrants are not receiving benefits of some sort, you would probably be shocked. And even more so when you realise many pay in a LOT less than they receive. Especially amongst the unskilled migrants from A8 countries. I know as I have seen the paperwork of quite a few.

The majority of the UK population pay in less than they receive across their lifetimes.

I would imagine this is very area dependent.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The majority of the UK population pay in less than they receive across their lifetimes.

I would imagine this is very area dependent.

I would expect it depends how long you live.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I would expect it depends how long you live.

My bad. The majority pay less per year than they are receiving. About 40% of households only are net contributors.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

And those (which i suspect are the majority) that aren't on benefits and are making a positive contribution to society?

I can see so many of the feckless twonks who refuse to go to work as it is suddenly leaping out of bed at 3am to go and pick sprouts in North Lincolnshire

[mrmistoffelees]

How many people use the hand car washes that have sprung up all over the country?

My local once charges £5, It doesn't matter what the weather is they are there working. The ones near me are heavily staffed by immigrants who have come over to better themselves.

The service they provide is superb, they even make me a tea or a coffee while I'm waiting

I don't see this work ethic in natives who are at the lower end of the wage sector in the UK

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How many people use the hand car washes that have sprung up all over the country?

My local once charges £5, It doesn't matter what the weather is they are there working. The ones near me are heavily staffed by immigrants who have come over to better themselves.

The service they provide is superb, they even make me a tea or a coffee while I'm waiting

I don't see this work ethic in natives who are at the lower end of the wage sector in the UK

I agree, they are following Norman Tebbits advice from the 80's and getting on their bike to find a job, just on a wider scale. Should be admired really

[denphone]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How many people use the hand car washes that have sprung up all over the country?

My local once charges £5, It doesn't matter what the weather is they are there working. The ones near me are heavily staffed by immigrants who have come over to better themselves.

The service they provide is superb, they even make me a tea or a coffee while I'm waiting

I don't see this work ethic in natives who are at the lower end of the wage sector in the UK

Of course its always the easiest option to blame Johnny Foreigner for all this countries ills as is now sadly the case.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I don't see this work ethic in natives who are at the lower end of the wage sector in the UK

It's the price we pay for the "Everybody wins prizes" and "You can be anything you want to be" PC nonsense. Some people won't accept that they're only ever going to be menial labour and would rather sit on their backsides watching Jeremy Kyle hoping Macawber like that something will come along.

It's the same culture that lets them get away with it.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It's the price we pay for the "Everybody wins prizes" and "You can be anything you want to be" PC nonsense. Some people won't accept that they're only ever going to be menial labour and would rather sit on their backsides watching Jeremy Kyle hoping Macawber like that something will come along.

It's the same culture that lets them get away with it.

I do believe that you if you're prepared to work/sacrifice (and i mean work and sacrifice) that in the vast majority of cases you can improve your circumstances. But there are a tiny minority who for whatever reason will be stuck in the low paid labour sector.

I think the biggest problem in our society lies with the belief that a vast majority of people (IMHO) think that they are entitled to things such as LED TV's Sky and/or Virgin (You can of course argue that internet is a basic human right) without putting in the required effort or sacrifice.

A lack of work ethic & a sense of self entitlement. BUT it's very easy for me to say that.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How many people use the hand car washes that have sprung up all over the country?

My local once charges £5, It doesn't matter what the weather is they are there working. The ones near me are heavily staffed by immigrants who have come over to better themselves.

The service they provide is superb, they even make me a tea or a coffee while I'm waiting

I don't see this work ethic in natives who are at the lower end of the wage sector in the UK

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How many people use the hand car washes that have sprung up all over the country?

My local once charges £5, It doesn't matter what the weather is they are there working. The ones near me are heavily staffed by immigrants who have come over to better themselves.

The service they provide is superb, they even make me a tea or a coffee while I'm waiting

I don't see this work ethic in natives who are at the lower end of the wage sector in the UK

Those same people get right on my wick. I wouldn't let them near my car. I can clean my own car and I don't do it in the rain. Duh. Meanwhile I have to put up with them interrupting me when I go shopping and making tea in spaces that are there for parking. Or they want to squeegee my windscreen; will their insurance cover any inadvertent damage btw? .

You don't see that 'work ethic' in the natives because the natives are no longer slave to the gentry. You're perpetuating a social class you claim to abhor.

[Taf]

These "car washers" are up to the same trick as the "scrap metal collectors" and "Big Issue vendors".

Access to Benefits by doing a menial job for the minimum hours required, all at income levels that mean no Income Tax.

If you are a Romanian and Bulgarian national (‘A2 nationals’) you may not claim jobseekers allowance or income support until you have legally worked in the UK without interruption for a period of 12 months of continuous employment.

If you become unemployed before 12 months of continuous employment has been reached, you are not entitled to housing benefit, council tax benefit, allocation of social housing or the provision of homelessness assistance, or income support or job seekers allowance.

An A2 national who has worked legally in the UK without interruption for a period of 12 months may apply for benefits such as jobseekers allowance and income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, child benefit and child tax credits.

So a year of menial work, then you can sit back and rake it all in....

---------- Post added at 13:48 ---------- Previous post was at 13:39 ----------

Old, but still true...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-benefit.html

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Those same people get right on my wick. I wouldn't let them near my car. I can clean my own car and I don't do it in the rain. Duh. Meanwhile I have to put up with them interrupting me when I go shopping and making tea in spaces that are there for parking. Or they want to squeegee my windscreen; will their insurance cover any inadvertent damage btw? .

You don't see that 'work ethic' in the natives because the natives are no longer slave to the gentry. You're perpetuating a social class you claim to abhor.

Horses for courses. I sometimes clean my car. and in winter even if it is raining the car gets cleaned once a week salt build up etc.

The only thing I abhor is that the percentage of people in the UK who whinge about people 'coming over here, taking our jobs' would at best last a day doing the work in the conditions that migrants work in.

I certainly couldn't do it.

---------- Post added at 15:22 ---------- Previous post was at 15:20 ----------

Originally Posted by Taf

These "car washers" are up to the same trick as the "scrap metal collectors" and "Big Issue vendors".

Access to Benefits by doing a menial job for the minimum hours required, all at income levels that mean no Income Tax.



So a year of menial work, then you can sit back and rake it all in....

---------- Post added at 13:48 ---------- Previous post was at 13:39 ----------

Old, but still true...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-benefit.html

So, therefore they just setup the car washes, work for a year. then they close so they can claim benefits, is that the suggestion? If so, have any evidence to support it?