Should EU migrants be made to leave the UK?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

They won't

And you are sure of that because...

I think a compromise is in order. For every EU national deported Remainers get to deport a UK national. I have a list.

[Osem]

I have a better compromise, for every EU national deported we also deport a remainer. They get to stay in the EU that way...

I fully expect a flood of remainers exiting the UK anyway given how bad it's going to be here now we're leaving that wonderful club.

[Taf]

If you have independent income, a pension perhaps, and you are "not a burden on the state of the host nation", then you will almost always be allowed to stay. But that should include your spouse and other members of the family not born in that country.

If you think "the majority" of migrants are not receiving benefits of some sort, you would probably be shocked. And even more so when you realise many pay in a LOT less than they receive. Especially amongst the unskilled migrants from A8 countries. I know as I have seen the paperwork of quite a few.

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by Kursk

And you are sure of that because...

because your question was if EU Countries 'take the initiative' and start sending British folk home when Article 50 is invoked?

any movement by EU countries INCLUDING Britain would be illegal under EU law. We still need to act within the agreed law until we agreed what will happen and as such at the end of article 50 and/or any extension. Wouldn't be good for negotiation otherwise. Only after we left can such items happen and only if permitted under terms of agreement

and beside the fact, EU didn't vote to drop Britain out so I don't see why their incentive of deporting considering how so many CF members thinks that all Britain abroad contribute so much to Europe

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think a compromise is in order. For every EU national deported Remainers get to deport a UK national. I have a list.

Of those who'll not be missed.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Taf

If you have independent income, a pension perhaps, and you are "not a burden on the state of the host nation", then you will almost always be allowed to stay. But that should include your spouse and other members of the family not born in that country.

If you think "the majority" of migrants are not receiving benefits of some sort, you would probably be shocked. And even more so when you realise many pay in a LOT less than they receive. Especially amongst the unskilled migrants from A8 countries. I know as I have seen the paperwork of quite a few.

Absolutely.

From the research that I've done on this, the "they pay in more than they take out" argument was true before the poorer Eastern European migrants started coming.

These people take out more than they put in.

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The majority so far seem to be in favour of us allowing people to stay.

I'm interested as to whether people think that this should also apply to those convicted of criminal activity, or who have never worked to any great extent or are a burden on our NHS etc?

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Absolutely.

From the research that I've done on this, the "they pay in more than they take out" argument was true before the poorer Eastern European migrants started coming.

These people take out more than they put in.

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The majority so far seem to be in favour of us allowing people to stay.

I'm interested as to whether people think that this should also apply to those convicted of criminal activity, or who have never worked to any great extent or are a burden on our NHS etc?

https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-...-they-receive/

More recent research exists

This research has since been updated, but the figures largely aren’t equivalent to the ones quoted above.

The latest findings estimate that recent immigrants from the 10 countries that joined the EU in 2004 (mainly eastern European) contributed £1.12 for every £1 received. Those from the rest of the EU put in £1.64 for every £1.

[Taf]

I wonder who is fiddling those figures? Those that I know earn a lot more in Tax Credits and Housing / Council Tax Benefits plus Child Benefit and are not taxed so only pay National Insurance.

Originally Posted by Taf

I wonder who is fiddling those figures? Those that I know earn a lot more in Tax Credits and Housing / Council Tax Benefits plus Child Benefit and are not taxed so only pay National Insurance.

It could be your anecdotal data is not representative of the wider dataset. It also depends where you live obviously. I.E EU migrants in London are probably big contributors.

It's always quite hard though. I think most people in the UK take out more than they put in though. When you think about schooling costs, healthcare costs and then the huge pension bill compared to our productive years then we're probably dependent on very high earners. Even then we're running a deficit.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

because your question was if EU Countries 'take the initiative' and start sending British folk home when Article 50 is invoked?

any movement by EU countries INCLUDING Britain would be illegal under EU law. We still need to act within the agreed law until we agreed what will happen and as such at the end of article 50 and/or any extension. Wouldn't be good for negotiation otherwise. Only after we left can such items happen and only if permitted under terms of agreement

and beside the fact, EU didn't vote to drop Britain out so I don't see why their incentive of deporting considering how so many CF members thinks that all Britain abroad contribute so much to Europe

Yes

Originally Posted by Kursk

An accord needs to be reached.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-...-they-receive/

The figures I quoted were from Migration Watch on Question Time. I guess it's a case of their being statistics, more statistics and damn lies!!

Whichever are correct, I think that there's a bigger picture to this issue than monetary factors (although these are important) eg extra immigrants usually need somewhere to live and push up rents & house prices for others, doctors surgeries can't cope etc.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The figures I quoted were from Migration Watch on Question Time. I guess it's a case of their being statistics, more statistics and damn lies!!

Whichever are correct, I think that there's a bigger picture to this issue than monetary factors (although these are important) eg extra immigrants usually need somewhere to live and push up rents & house prices for others, doctors surgeries can't cope etc.

Except fullfact are an independent organisation, whilst Migration Watch are fairly open about their agenda....

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Except fullfact are an independent organisation, whilst Migration Watch are fairly open about their agenda....

It's very difficult to measure as they say themselves eg do we count the cost of educating any children they have??

Even if it's accepted that we do make a profit from them, at what cost though?

This average profit could be increased by taking into account which ones are worth keeping and which are unprofitable.

There would be less pressure on housing, the NHS etc, whilst the Government could reassure people that the ones allowed to remain are putting in more than they take out.

[Taf]

Bring in a points system, and stick to it.