General : Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016) Vol 2

[vm_tech]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

People also need to understand the economics. VM TV has what - about 3.7m customers. Whereas Sky and Freeview each has over 10m. Broadcast FTA on Sky and you may as well buy a Freesat EPG slot and pick up a couple of million more customers.
The TV channels were neglected for a while by VM but that is no longer the case.

What they do need to sort out are the essentials of:
- Network coverage: in hand
- New box: in hand
- 4G mobile: unknown
- wifi network via Superhub: status unknown, launched in some LGI countries

Then desirables would be:
- Remaining HD channels
- Amazon Prime
- Price freeze
- 4k carriage announcements

I have something to say but I'm gonna keep my mouth shut for now as nobody else has mentioned it on here....

[denphone]

Your opinion is very much welcomed just as much as anybody else's opinion.

[theone2k10]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

A price freeze is a must as far as I'm concerned because the cost is spirialing out of control fast. To the majority of us the "we're improving our services" just doesn't wash anymore. How can services be improving when On demand is at it's worst since Virgin took over from NTL.

More chance platting treacle than a price freeze.

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Originally Posted by Frazz

I thought the Tivo update was supposed to improve the running of the Tivo,mine is slower than ever since the update

Virgin media yesterdays technology today.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jj20x

Incorrect! It's not my opinion that new channels will appear after VM add channels. I have no opinion on when and if new channels appear. It was a statement of fact, channels come and go all of the time. For example, Blaze will arrive shortly on Freeview. Again, it's not my opinion that Blaze will appear, it actually will appear.

Apologies for any confusion and I didn't mean to cause any offence. I intended to get across that it was your opinion that VM were not proactive and I suggested some ways in which they might be seen as proactive.

Originally Posted by jj20x

Aha! that would indeed be your opinion...

Agreed, but I can't see any other reason as to why E! would not be on VM except money eg it's not technological, it's not that the two companies haven't done other deals.

Originally Posted by jj20x

Incorrect| As I stated previously, the only way a channel can appear on Freeview is to negotiate a contract with one of the multiplex operators, generally Arqiva (for COM5-COM8) or to a lesser extent SDN, which is limited in that it only operates a single multiplex (COM4). There is no freedom of entry to Freeview, in your terms, Arqiva and SDN are the "gatekeepers" for their respective multiplexes and channels have to negotiate with one of these multiplex operators. The PSB multiplexes are totally closed platforms and don't make space available to independent broadcasters.

I think we just have different opinions of the definition of an open platform.

Thanks for an interesting debate.

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Originally Posted by theone2k10

More chance platting treacle than a price freeze.

lol. I genuinely can't see one next year except the Sky premiums rise to keep those poor footballers away from the food banks.

Originally Posted by theone2k10

Virgin media yesterday's technology today.

Ha ha. Only because VM have blacklisted you from rejoining. But I do wonder how VM will tackle the roll-out based on some opinions of the current hardware.

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Originally Posted by vm_tech

I have something to say but I'm gonna keep my mouth shut for now as nobody else has mentioned it on here....

Interesting, I mentioned everything I could think of. Cloud storage or is that clould cuckoo land?

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Originally Posted by denphone

Your opinion is very much welcomed just as much as anybody else's opinion.

Agreed, everyone's opinion is valid and it would be rather boring if we all agreed on everything.

[vm_tech]

Originally Posted by denphone

Your opinion is very much welcomed just as much as anybody else's opinion.

It's not an opinion, it's fact. But I'm choosing not to say anything currently as I'm not sure it's public knowledge. But it will be shortly

[denphone]

Hopefully one hopes it is good news which will cheer some of the Victor's on here up.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

Hopefully one hopes it is good news which will cheer some of the Victor's on here up.

Here's what I expect to read so I thought I would help theone out by writing his post for him

Originally Posted by theone2k10

I suspect it's a joyful January price rise

But seriously, vmtech has got me intrigued! If it's not the things I listed then I'm at a loss to think what else it could be.

[denphone]

l possibly have a idea of things but as my partner says often enough its wise to keep your mouth shut dear.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Apologies for any confusion and I didn't mean to cause any offence. I intended to get across that it was your opinion that VM were not proactive and I suggested some ways in which they might be seen as proactive.

Ok but that wasn't really an opinion either just an observation based on the difference between VM obtaining Universal HD and BT obtaining Universal HD PLUS E! HD. You did suggest ways in which VM might be seen as proactive, mentioning UKTV on-demand content. We would disagree here I'm afraid. For a long period of time VM didn't carry UKTV's on-demand content, now it is grabbing any content it can get after falling behind other providers. Again, more reactive than proactive, they could have obtained UKTV content at a much earlier stage.

I think we just have different opinions of the definition of an open platform.

Traditionally a closed platform operator exclusively sells its service to the end user and with an open platform, individual broadcasters can sell their content direct to the end user. Freeview doesn't sit well with either model, neither the platform operators nor the broadcasters are selling directly to the end user. The concept is better suited to pay-tv than to FTA services. When DTT carried broadcast pay-tv services it was either via OnDigital/ITV Digital or via TopUp TV, both of which were closed platforms.

As far as FTA services go, with Sky the broadcaster can arrange an independent upload to Astra and then simply pay Sky for an EPG slot. With Freeview, the broadcaster has to arrange a carriage contract with a multiplex operator, it can't independently load its service onto DTT. The Freeview scenario is closer to that of cable, where the broadcaster has to arrange a carriage contract with VM, than to the Sky/Astra situation.

Thanks for an interesting debate.

You're welcome!

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Originally Posted by denphone

l possibly have a idea of things but as my partner says often enough its wise to keep your mouth shut dear.

Oh dear, now we have your partner issuing DNP orders.

[denphone]

l wonder who wears the trousers in your household then.

[theone2k10]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Apologies for any confusion and I didn't mean to cause any offence. I intended to get across that it was your opinion that VM were not proactive and I suggested some ways in which they might be seen as proactive.


Agreed, but I can't see any other reason as to why E! would not be on VM except money eg it's not technological, it's not that the two companies haven't done other deals.

I think we just have different opinions of the definition of an open platform.

Thanks for an interesting debate.

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lol. I genuinely can't see one next year except the Sky premiums rise to keep those poor footballers away from the food banks.

Ha ha. Only because VM have blacklisted you from rejoining. But I do wonder how VM will tackle the roll-out based on some opinions of the current hardware.

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Interesting, I mentioned everything I could think of. Cloud storage or is that clould cuckoo land?

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Agreed, everyone's opinion is valid and it would be rather boring if we all agreed on everything.

i'd rather eat my shorts after a rugby match than rejoin vm..

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Here's what I expect to read so I thought I would help theone out by writing his post for him


But seriously, vmtech has got me intrigued! If it's not the things I listed then I'm at a loss to think what else it could be.

i thought the sherrys had taen a rather disturbing effect then i was like "i don't remember posting that" until i re-read your post lol.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Hopefully one hopes it is good news which will cheer some of the Victor's on here up.

From info i've seen the new tivo looks very good.

[vm_tech]

I imagine it will be made public in the next couple of days. It is good news

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by vm_tech

I imagine it will be made public in the next couple of days. It is good news

Very intriguing. Presumably more than this? http://www.cbronline.com/news/mobili...-media-4996841

[Bananaman_007]

Everything i have been reading i agree 100% with. Virgin claim they are serious about mobile then why have they not got 4G? They claim they want to offer the best on demand content yet they were miles ahead of Sky in that respect a few years ago, now look at the gap. They hugely disrespect their customers by giving the loyal customers price increases to fund better discounts for new subscribers. Don't get me started on the TIVO or the fact that 7 months after release they still have not got support for the Samsung Galaxy S7 or Edge with its Android app. Smaller 1 man operations can get this sorted so why can't a huge company like this? I sent them a tweet asking about it and all i got was we are working on it. Im sorry that is not good enough when my bill has gone up 40% in 2 years.

When i phoned to cancel, they did nothing to even try and persuade me to stay and i have had no contact since. They are quite happy to ring me every few weeks trying to sell me Sky Sports, or a mobile that i have told them many times im under contract elsewhere and would not take a Virgin mobile as they do not offer 4G.

[Media Boy UK]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Then desirables would be:
- Remaining HD channels
- Amazon Prime
- Price freeze
- 4k carriage announcements

One of them is on our Do Not Post list.