Post-Brexit Thread

[TheDaddy]

Worrying developments from down Brussels way

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...layed-to-2026/

Via southend obviously

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

Why wouldn't we continue to welcome Polish immigrants? The campaign was fought on controlling immigration, not ending it. Only the most rabid remainiacs are still trying to paint the leave campaign as racist and isolationist. Do try to keep up.

Please can you drop the patronising insults? The foreign secretary made no mention, as far as I can see, of controlling Polish immigration numbers when he was in Poland.

It looks to me like you're more interested in playing with words than seriously discussing the issue. Surely you can see the difference between a speech on the UK's future immigration policy (which this wasn't) and a goodwill speech delivered by the UK's chief diplomat (which this was)?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

It looks to me like you're more interested in playing with words than seriously discussing the issue. Surely you can see the difference between a speech on the UK's future immigration policy (which this wasn't) and a goodwill speech delivered by the UK's chief diplomat (which this was)?

It looks to me that you are more interested in just being patronising (again)

OK, let's see then. Please post again when we get the official Government policy that controls and caps Polish immgration ..

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It looks to me that you are more interested in just being patronising (again)

OK, let's see then. Please post again when we get the official Government policy that controls and caps Polish immgration ..

The government isn't going to publish an immigration policy that specifically restricts numbers of Polish workers as that is not only discriminatory but would also not do a great deal for Anglo-Polish relations.

The only reason we have immigrant workers in the first place is that the 5 million unemployed UK workers are unwilling or unable to do the jobs available hence the need to use migrant labour.

There would be no real need for any immigration if all available jobs in the UK were taken up by the unemployed UK workers we have but at present that is not the case.

Originally Posted by ntluser

Given the amount of poor planning and financial waste we have had from government Boris can still welcome the next Polish generation because they have skills, are cheaper and are more willing to work.

Let's not forget that at one time we used to be a major manufacturing country until we priced ourselves out of the market allowing China, Taiwan etc to take over. If those at the top had been more willing to share the excessive payments made to them with the workers we probably still would be.

Erm, in the 60s and 70s the pay differential between owners/senior managers was much less than it is now, and it was the fact that the overseas manufacturers had cheaper labour and cheaper raw materials which made the price differential so much; that and the fact we had terrible quality control, and thought we still had an Empire that had to buy from us, rather than producing and exporting their own goods.

We, as a country (both politicians, industries, and workers) did not adapt to a changing world, tried to live on our laurels, and got left behind...

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Worrying developments from down Brussels way

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...layed-to-2026/

Via southend obviously

That would seem to conflict with this:

"The only formal process for leaving the EU comes through Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU). The government of the withdrawing state notifies the European Council of its wish of leaving the EU. This triggers the negotiation process around the transitional arrangement and also any future arrangement between the EU and the leaving state. Two years is allotted for the negotiations, during which all EU laws continue to apply to the leaving state. If no agreement is reached after two years, all EU rules and rights cease to apply to the withdrawing country – unless the period is extended by unanimous agreement of the other 27 states."

http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/...at-comes-next/

Originally Posted by pip08456

That would seem to conflict with this:

"The only formal process for leaving the EU comes through Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU). The government of the withdrawing state notifies the European Council of its wish of leaving the EU. This triggers the negotiation process around the transitional arrangement and also any future arrangement between the EU and the leaving state. Two years is allotted for the negotiations, during which all EU laws continue to apply to the leaving state. If no agreement is reached after two years, all EU rules and rights cease to apply to the withdrawing country – unless the period is extended by unanimous agreement of the other 27 states."

http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/...at-comes-next/

Duck that low flying satire, dude ...

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Erm, in the 60s and 70s the pay differential between owners/senior managers was much less than it is now, and it was the fact that the overseas manufacturers had cheaper labour and cheaper raw materials which made the price differential so much; that and the fact we had terrible quality control, and thought we still had an Empire that had to buy from us, rather than producing and exporting their own goods.

We, as a country (both politicians, industries, and workers) did not adapt to a changing world, tried to live on our laurels, and got left behind...

Unfortunately, we are still making the same mistakes because as you say the pay differential now is higher than it was in the past. We have actually learnt nothing.

Is it any wonder that we have a massive deficit because we, as a country, are not planning financial reductions or making any real effort to live within our means.

Originally Posted by Chris

Duck that low flying satire, dude ...

He said: ‘I checked again this morning with some contacts in Brussels, and they confirmed that all of the articles of Lisbon Treaty are going to be processed in strict numerical order. At the present time, Article 1 is still in its preliminary stage, and the requests are handled by a single member of staff.’

‘Therefore, because Articles 1 to 49 still need to be triggered and processed accordingly, we could have an incredibly long wait until Article 50 is sorted out, and even at that stage there will still be a further two-year wait before our withdrawal from the European Union is finalised.’

Originally Posted by ntluser

Unfortunately, we are still making the same mistakes because as you say the pay differential now is higher than it was in the past. We have actually learnt nothing.

Is it any wonder that we have a massive deficit because we, as a country, are not planning financial reductions or making any real effort to live within our means.

But we didn't make the mistakes you said we made, and we are now making different ones..

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by ntluser

The government isn't going to publish an immigration policy that specifically restricts numbers of Polish workers

I am afraid that is exactly what the 37% of the electorate who voted us out of the EU are expecting. Controlled immigration means exactly that: a cap on people who are able to move here from foreign countries which would include Poland.

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am afraid that is exactly what the 37% of the electorate who voted us out of the EU are expecting. Controlled immigration means exactly that: a cap on people who are able to move here from foreign countries which would include Poland.

No it's not ,we expect limits on immigration not limits on Polish immigration

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by martyh

No it's not ,we expect limits on immigration not limits on Polish immigration

Seems a contradiction to me (or maybe its just a wind up). Ok, I'll run with it: controlled or capped immigration is just that. Or are you suggested that we have different quota applied to different countries? I assume Poland having no quota applied ..

Maybe that's why Boris didn't mention it

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The Conservative government are in an unenviable position. Is the plan to turn the UK into a giant tax haven economy to retain these businesses, which will have horrendous effects for equality of wealth and income. At what price 'control'?

The plan was already in motion before brexit with repeated cuts to corporation tax. The future is hard to predict for sure and these are difficult times to be a ruler of this country.

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Originally Posted by Damien

If you read for what Japan have asked for (other than EEA etc) then we can see the beginnings of a possible deal that doesn't involve the EEA.

Japanese companies have asked the EU for temporary passporting rights whilst they relocate (assuming no EEA). I think we could have a soft-brexit approach whereby we can limit EU migration almost immediately after exit and in return get some sort of trade deal for goods whilst services are given 'x years' free access which slowly gets wound down. So for a few years we'll have both limits on migration and be in the single-market with the single market benefits getting slowly removed.

It would stop any dramatic shock to both the EU and the UK whilst the EU get a lot of the big services firms and we limit migration.

considering how much we rely on services for GDP tho that would be a big shock to the UK.