Muslim Writers: Islam To Blame For Global Terror

Originally Posted by ianch99

The constant attempt to paint the entire Muslim community as enemies within, potential rapists and terrorists is *exactly* what ISIS want the West to do. By demonising Muslims, this will just create a culture of fear and mistrust and drive the young & impressionable Muslims towards radicalism.

Why do you think ISIS want to do this ?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by martyh

Why do you think ISIS want to do this ?

Here are some articles that discuss this proposition:

Hating Muslims plays right into the Islamic State’s hands

ISIS Needs the West to Alienate Its Muslim Populations, Current Rhetoric Does Exactly That

Scapegoating Muslims Is Playing Into the Hands of ISIS

Paris attacks: Hating Muslims plays right into Isis's hands

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You are deliberately being obtuse here. It is the frequency and prominence of the articles against Muslims that is the issue here.

That wasn't what you asked for originally but fair enough.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Here are some articles that discuss this proposition:

Hating Muslims plays right into the Islamic State’s hands

ISIS Needs the West to Alienate Its Muslim Populations, Current Rhetoric Does Exactly That

Scapegoating Muslims Is Playing Into the Hands of ISIS

Paris attacks: Hating Muslims plays right into Isis's hands

Problem with that way of thinking is that it is almost impossible to distinguish between a peaceful Muslim and a Jihadist so until ISIS and any other extreme Islamic group is removed from the world Muslims will always be viewed as potential terrorists which is quite understandable really.

Originally Posted by martyh

Problem with that way of thinking is that it is almost impossible to distinguish between a peaceful Muslim and a Jihadist so until ISIS and any other extreme Islamic group is removed from the world Muslims will always be viewed as potential terrorists which is quite understandable really.

Did you think the same about Irish people twenty to fifty years ago?

And how can you tell a Muslim from a Hindu from a Catholic from the Indian sub-continent? (there are a lot of Indian Catholics around Goa).

How can you tell an Arab Muslim from a Lebanese Christian?

Most Muslims I know, and I know quite a few, don't go around telling everyone they are Muslim, just like I don't go around telling everyone I am Christian.

How do we know who is a Muslim, and by your definition a potential terrorist, and who isn't?

Originally Posted by Hugh

Did you think the same about Irish people twenty to fifty years ago?

And how can you tell a Muslim from a Hindu from a Catholic from the Indian sub-continent? (there are a lot of Indian Catholics around Goa).

How can you tell an Arab Muslim from a Lebanese Christian?

Most Muslims I know, and I know quite a few, don't go around telling everyone they are Muslim, just like I don't go around telling everyone I am Christian.

How do we know who is a Muslim, and by your definition a potential terrorist, and who isn't?

Hugh that post is complete crap and you know it .I have absolutely no idea why you have brought Irish ,lebanese ,indians or Hindus into a thread about Muslims but i suppose you have your reasons

I was talking about distinguishing one type of Muslim from another .You cannot tell a jihadist going into a mosque on a friday afternoon from a peaceful Muslim going into a mosque on a friday afternoon any more than a Christian can be distinguished from a Muslim (in some cases) ,that is why ,at this time Islam is such a threat to Western society.Untill we come up with a way to distinguish between peaceful Muslims and Jihadists then society needs to view all Muslims with equal suspicion.

Well ISIS and the rest are winning.They have got some of us ready to turn on perfectly innocent people because of fear. Our basic freedoms will be eroded in the desire to try and protect ourselves..we will become less free as layer after layer of security is added.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well ISIS and the rest are winning.They have got some of us ready to turn on perfectly innocent people because of fear. Our basic freedoms will be eroded in the desire to try and protect ourselves..we will become less free as layer after layer of security is added.

If people are going to belong to a religion as disjointed and violent as Islam then they must be prepared to be watched closely and with suspicion .Unfortunately it isn't right and certainly isn't fair but that's the way it's got to be to protect the lives of innocent people.

Who are 'the rest'?
can't think of any other religious nut jobs blowing stuff up on a regular basis

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Not the first time you've said that. Sorry 'bout that

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I'm not saying that all muslims are terrorists. I'm simply objecting to the fact that the followers of that faith are far more likely than the followers of any other faith to kill in the name of their faith. That's correct, it's a battle between that backward form of islam and everyone. If ISIS etc were dominant in western countries the death toll of westerners would quickly rise. The only reason that they have killed more muslims than westerners is because they have access to more muslims.What I object to when looking at the vast majority of (probably nominally peaceful) muslims is that if someone disrespects the koran or the prophet then thousands will riot and protest in the streets but if an act of terror is carried out by someone who uses some passages in the koran as justification then the silence from the muslim world is broken only by their shouts of 'islamophobia'.
That has to change before we can get anywhere with this thorny problem.

Don't be sorry for your opinion, just because it doesn't measure up to someone else's.

Your opinion isn't dissimilar from mine and you're not saying anything that's wrong or untrue or illegal, so feck em.

Originally Posted by martyh

Hugh that post is complete crap and you know it .I have absolutely no idea why you have brought Irish ,lebanese ,indians or Hindus into a thread about Muslims but i suppose you have your reasons

I was talking about distinguishing one type of Muslim from another .You cannot tell a jihadist going into a mosque on a friday afternoon from a peaceful Muslim going into a mosque on a friday afternoon any more than a Christian can be distinguished from a Muslim (in some cases) ,that is why ,at this time Islam is such a threat to Western society.Untill we come up with a way to distinguish between peaceful Muslims and Jihadists then society needs to view all Muslims with equal suspicion.

Before we can distinguish between "peaceful Muslims and Jihadists" in this country, how do you know who is a Muslim from who is a Hindu from who is a Sikh from who is a Christian?

How can you tell just by looking at someone if they are a Muslim, so we can view them with suspicion?

Originally Posted by Hugh

Before we can distinguish between "peaceful Muslims and Jihadists" in this country, how do you know who is a Muslim from who is a Hindu from who is a Sikh from who is a Christian?

How can you tell just by looking at someone if they are a Muslim, so we can view them with suspicion?

How about asking them ? i'm pretty sure that all the security services know who's Muslim and who isn't

Originally Posted by martyh

How about asking them ? i'm pretty sure that all the security services know who's Muslim and who isn't

What next - should they be made to wear something that identifies them as Muslims?

Should we also ask the 1.3 million Sikhs and Hindus in the UK, just to be sure they are not Muslim?

[richard s]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Too much free time..

You hit the nail on the head Maggy.

Yep your right Hugh lets all join together and just get along so what if now and then during one of the joyous gatherings someone blows themself up and a lot of other people or gets in a truck and mows down scores of innocent people. Because we can't identify the nutters lets not think about it lets not get the mosques involved who definately do know both the one's radicalising and those susceptible to that radicalisation. Asking does no harm, telling prevents harm but we're so worried about offending a person or a group that we don't as a rule and when someone or some agency does they are instantly labelled as ignorant or racist it's got to the point of being stupid.

I'm an atheist I'll happily tell anyone that asks and if in the future atheists run around doing what some muslims are doing and many more plan to do to innocent civilians I'll expect to both be asked and if need be watched as i might be a threat. Most mainstream religions have had bad press or difficult situations to handle over the last few decades but none of them other then islam feels the need to kill journalists or attack society as a result.

It isn't just about the one's that commit the act it's about the community that stood by and allowed extremism in and to spread and in practical terms does very little.

Originally Posted by Hugh

What next - should they be made to wear something that identifies them as Muslims?

Should we also ask the 1.3 million Sikhs and Hindus in the UK, just to be sure they are not Muslim?

Ask them Hugh that's all i said so don't twist the words .There is nothing wrong in asking Muslims in a community about suspected radicals within that community .All Muslims have to realise that the actions of people using their religion to commit atrocities have consequences and they will have to live with the fact that leaving them alone has not worked and we cannot allow a sub culture that breeds terrorists to thrive in this country so regardless of who it offends we must start treating all Muslims with suspicion ,take a closer look at the closed communities ,close a few Islamic schools and see what exactly is going on behind the doors of some of these mosques .Burying your head in the sand won't help anyone least of all the peaceful Muslims.

The fact remains that regardless of what the true intent of Islam is or was it has now been hijacked by evil men and peaceful or not Muslims the world over will and should be treated with suspicion