Muslim Writers: Islam To Blame For Global Terror

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

There has been a female pope besides which why bring catholicism into it, they're not the ones to blame for global terror according to these muslim writers.

one could say the same thing regarding the majority of refugees that were/are fleeing to Europe but people have

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You said: Now you move the goalposts

Really? I am wasting my time if you think briebart.com is your source of truth.

Islam is a problem because it seems to be far too easy for some believers to interpret the qu'ran in so many ways, it's a problem because it's leaders have conflicting views as to the meaning of the qu'ran. Islam will not change it does not move with the world and that is allowing a small group within islam to use it as an excuse to commit terrorism and daily atrocities.

As for leicester I've been there on and off my whole life and i know how much it's changed I've seen the businesses that were forced off the melton and belgrave road part of leicester in the late eighties and nineties by intimidation from predominately muslim members. Also had the joy of a little poster campaign in the early nineties of a white mans head being pulled back and his throat slit with the word "fun-damental" underneath and I've also been in the casualty department of the leicester royal three times when me and some friends made the mistake of walking down the melton road on our way back to the city centre when a gang of asian men laid into us telling us to stay out of their neighbourhood. Three times because like you i didn't believe it was anything more then trouble makers and one of our friends had family just past the asian community.

In 2001 i was a trainee at a centre in belgrave helping mainly asians to achieve their nvq 2 when the twin towers were attacked everyday for about five weeks following that i got threats on way too and from the centre and spat on by groups of young muslim males two of them i was helping. So I'm glad you had a great time in leicester Russ but it isn't all great and that city in two decades has changed massively some for the better but some for the worse and there is a growing resentment there which saddens me to see.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Really? I am wasting my time if you think briebart.com is your source of truth.

There you go moving the goalposts again.
You were talking about mainstream papers not reporting some stories. I showed you that they are reporting those stories.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

There you go moving the goalposts again.
You were talking about mainstream papers not reporting some stories. I showed you that they are reporting those stories.

Lets leave this here. I think the wider audience can make there own minds up on the veracity and unbiased nature of briebart.com, Daily Mail, Express etc.

Each to their own, eh?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

one could say the same thing regarding the majority of refugees that were/are fleeing to Europe but people have

Yes and one could also say that the majority of refugees aren't even refugees but economic migrants to

I will point out that anyone of any faith can take any document and twist it's meaning to suit their own agenda. It's happened many times across the time that the human race has worshipped deities. it is not confined to just one group..So let's not demonise just one particular group.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I will point out that anyone of any faith can take any document and twist it's meaning to suit their own agenda. It's happened many times across the time that the human race has worshipped deities. it is not confined to just one group..So let's not demonise just one particular group.

Nope. I'm afraid that I'm going to continue demonising (if that's the word you want to use) islam since it's the pre eminent religion of death and terror atm.
As you correctly say, any faith document can be twisted and if taoists or mormons start, on a worldwide industrial scale to bomb trains and buses, burn temples/churches, cut off heads, fly planes into buildings, lock pilots into cages and burn them alive, drive trucks through families etc......then rest assure that I'll be speaking out against them as well.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Lets leave this here. I think the wider audience can make there own minds up on the veracity and unbiased nature of briebart.com, Daily Mail, Express etc.

Each to their own, eh?

We weren't talking about the veracity and unbiased nature of those rags. They are obviously biased. I was merely refuting your claim that the mainstream press don't report some stories.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Nope. I'm afraid that I'm going to continue demonising (if that's the word you want to use) islam since it's the pre eminent religion of death and terror atm.
As you correctly say, any faith document can be twisted and if taoists or mormons start, on a worldwide industrial scale to bomb trains and buses, burn temples/churches, cut off heads, fly planes into buildings, lock pilots into cages and burn them alive, drive trucks through families etc......then rest assure that I'll be speaking out against them as well.

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We weren't talking about the veracity and unbiased nature of those rags. They are obviously biased. I was merely refuting your claim that the mainstream press don't report some stories.

Then I'm very disappointed.You are not the person I thought you were.

I think part of the problem here is few of us in the West really understand Islam and I would guess most of us only have a cursory 'middle-east for dummies' style overview of the major plot points of the region.

Can you imagine trying to explain to someone the Catholic/Protestant divide if they had little understanding of Christianity and only a basic knowledge of European/British/Irish history and culture? The issue of Northern Ireland, sectarianism in Scotland and the IRA (of which there is more than one!) would be hard to explain. We wouldn't be impressed with someone who distilled all of that into it being a problem with the religion because in many cases the religion is just a small part of it. The rest of it is cultural differences and historical injustices/grudges that have formed within communities and persisted. You couldn't explain 'the troubles' without explaining the history of the last 100 years, and in turn the history of Britain and Ireland, and in turn the history of the churches in conjunction with the history of Britain and Europe.

The issue isn't directly comparable to Islamic terrorism but it does serve as an example that there is a lot of nuance and other factors that contribute to conflicts between people other than their religion. The vast majority of Westerns do not know but the history between groups within the Middle-East. We do not know the different 'branches' of Islam or the divides within that. When faced with ignorance of a topic it's best not to assume the worst.

No one on here, I think, has said there isn't a problem with Islamic extremism but that is different to painting a broad brush and saying it's a problem with Islam itself or the people that follow it. We do know that the likes of ISIS have killed more Muslims than they have killed anyone else so it's clearly not a battle between Islam and us and for Westerners to it is would be to do the terrorists' work for them. It's not liberal do-goodery to object to the demonisation of 1.5 billion people.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Then I'm very disappointed.You are not the person I thought you were.

Not the first time you've said that. Sorry 'bout that

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Originally Posted by Damien

No one on here, I think, has said there isn't a problem with Islamic extremism but that is different to painting a broad brush and saying it's a problem with Islam itself or the people that follow it.

I'm not saying that all muslims are terrorists. I'm simply objecting to the fact that the folowers of that faith are far more likely than the followers of any other faith to kill in the name of their faith.

We do know that the likes of ISIS have killed more Muslims than they have killed anyone else so it's clearly not a battle between Islam and us

That's correct, it's a battle between that backward form of islam and everyone. If ISIS etc were dominant in western countries the death toll of westerners would quickly rise. The only reason that they have killed more muslims than westerners is because they have access to more muslims.

It's not liberal do-goodery to object to the demonisation of 1.5 billion people.

What I object to when looking at the vast majority of (probably nominally peacful) muslims is that if someone disrespects the koran or the prophet then thousands will riot and protest in the streets but if an act of terror is carried out by someone who uses some passages in the koran as justification then the silence from the muslim world is broken only by their shouts of 'islamophobia'.
That has to change before we can get anywhere with this thorny problem.

[richard s]

Being a person of no faith I find the fact that most religions are run and were invented by men... I wonder why?

Originally Posted by richard s

Being a person of no faith I find the fact that most religions are run and were invented by men... I wonder why?

Too much free time..

Originally Posted by richard s

Being a person of no faith I find the fact that most religions are run and were invented by men... I wonder why?

I am not sure anyone knows. What you're really asking is why did the Patriarchal society develop so early on in most societies? It isn't just religion but most societies quickly developed a male-dominated society. Even the first few examples of laws we see show women treated as second class citizens.

Maybe it's because physical strength would have mattered a lot more in early society and hunter-gather tribes etc. Maybe pregnancy caused a mythology to develop around the role of women. This is the kind of question that academics would spend their lives studying.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

We weren't talking about the veracity and unbiased nature of those rags. They are obviously biased. I was merely refuting your claim that the mainstream press don't report some stories.

You are deliberately being obtuse here. It is the frequency and prominence of the articles against Muslims that is the issue here.

The constant attempt to paint the entire Muslim community as enemies within, potential rapists and terrorists is *exactly* what ISIS want the West to do. By demonising Muslims, this will just create a culture of fear and mistrust and drive the young & impressionable Muslims towards radicalism.