Muslim Writers: Islam To Blame For Global Terror

[papa smurf]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/...ch-attack.html

It's not just segments of the media all the media either over or understates islam depending on their agenda but as more and more muslims are here ordinary people are getting to know them and having their views formed. The harshest critics of islam I've heard are from my muslim friends but they are also honest that they will not take or air those criticisms in their mosque. Like me they are middle aged and have a foot in each of the modernist and traditionalist camps but if they don't feel they can voice criticisms within their faith clearly at some point the faith will push them away.

No the catholic church is no different in attitudes to women as islam but generally catholics dont go round blowing themselves up or mass shoot unarmed people so pretty big difference.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

As apposed to Catholicism who have female popes, bishops, priests oh wait......

There has been a female pope besides which why bring catholicism into it, they're not the ones to blame for global terror according to these muslim writers.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

It's not just segments of the media all the media either over or understates islam depending on their agenda but as more and more muslims are here ordinary people are getting to know them and having their views formed. The harshest critics of islam I've heard are from my muslim friends but they are also honest that they will not take or air those criticisms in their mosque. Like me they are middle aged and have a foot in each of the modernist and traditionalist camps but if they don't feel they can voice criticisms within their faith clearly at some point the faith will push them away.

No the catholic church is no different in attitudes to women as islam but generally catholics dont go round blowing themselves up or mass shoot unarmed people so pretty big difference.

But only 20 years ago, Catholics were blowing others up and shooting others - how soon we forget...

Yes northern ireland and Protestants were as bad but also not exactly a like for like is it and is not relevant to the fact that islam needs to change and modernise N.I wasn't completely about religious belief or the way to impose it on everyone.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

This is the thing though. People demand Muslims speak out against these attacks but ignore them when they do and diminish gestures designed to show condemnation of the attacks.

Originally Posted by ianch99

So true. The Daily Mail, Express, etc would be reluctant to run these stories as they are at odds with their Muslim hate message.

Oh dear, sorry to shatter your comfortable world view

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ad-police.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...riest-on-altar

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/152898...jacques-hamel/

This thread is a perfect example of what's wrong in the west islam is a problem, it's a problem that will not change but criticise it and out come the defenders for it. If something is a problem we used to believe that recognising and talking about problems was the way to handle it and if necessary aid change but due to political correctness a range of subjects can no longer be discussed or criticised unless you want to be called ignorant or racist. This thread isn't guilty of all of that but clearly some are not at ease with criticism of islam and if it hadn't migrated to the west wasn't the source of weekly killings I'd be all for burying my head and ignoring it but sadly it's on the doorstep of many in the west and will not adapt to the countries many of it's followers chose to come too.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But only 20 years ago, Catholics were blowing others up and shooting others - how soon we forget...

In fairness, and not to play down the seriousness of the death and devastation they were responsible for, the IRA attacks were nowhere near on the scale of what is being committed in the 'name of Islam'. Yes there were shootings - again with all due respect to the victims and their families - however their general MO was to phone a warning through to the police which at least gave some people a chance (albeit often not much) to evacuate.

I'm not suggesting that makes them any less evil but as such I don't agree the IRA are a legitimate comparison with these Islamic terrorists who want to cause as much death as possible.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

islam is a problem

Really? How?

In my department I work with around 120 people and I'd estimate about 10% of them are Muslim. Unless it has been kept very quiet we've never had any problems. They don't wander about waving copies of their Qu'ran, they don't complain about Muslims being oppressed etc etc. OK it could be said people might modify their behaviour at work in order to keep their jobs etc but I have these people on my FB and they don't post anything about 'unbelievers' or supporting terrorism.

I'm made references to this before but when I lived in Leicester there were thousands of Muslims but at no time did I feel threatened, intimidated etc.

I won't ever agree that Islam is a problem however nobody seems ever able to answer the question of why these days it attracts far more nutters than other religions or faiths. I don't consider these terrorists and hate preachers to be true Muslims however they all claim to be doing it in the "name of Islam".

I don't remember any/as many committing such acts in the name of Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism etc. So something is drawing these idiots towards Islam and THAT is what I believe needs to addressed.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Oh dear, sorry to shatter your comfortable world view

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ad-police.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...riest-on-altar

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/152898...jacques-hamel/

some people just will not admit it is covered by these newspapers ,its all there at the click of the mouse if they can be bothered to look

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yep, and the BBC is totally unbiased
edit, to be fait to the BBC they did mention (at the bottom of the article) that 50 muslims attended the mass but it was left to Breitbart to point out that it was actually a poor showing.

crikey, never knew sites like that existed - looking at some of the comments it looks like a site for the uneducated.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Yep, and the BBC is totally unbiased
edit, to be fait to the BBC they did mention (at the bottom of the article) that 50 muslims attended the mass but it was left to Breitbart to point out that it was actually a poor showing.

It appears that the 50 muslims who attended were Ahmadiyya Muslims
link

the striking thing about them is that in most cases the Muslim attendees at mass appear to have been – as I would have expected them to be – Ahmadiyya Muslims. This is the persecuted sect which many Muslims regard as non-Muslims and who are subjected to severe persecution around the world from other Muslims

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

crikey, never knew sites like that existed - looking at some of the comments it looks like a site for the uneducated.

Or the believe everything they read brigade.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But only 20 years ago, Catholics were blowing others up and shooting others - how soon we forget...

Were they doing it globally? and was their objective to kill all the protestants because of their religious views or because they didn't want to part of the UK.

Trying to compare the troubles in N.I. to global Islamic Terrorism, is entirely pointless and deflects away from the issue.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Oh dear, sorry to shatter your comfortable world view

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ad-police.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...riest-on-altar

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/152898...jacques-hamel/

You are funny Post again when these positive Muslim stories are consistently on the front pages ..

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana

crikey, never knew sites like that existed - looking at some of the comments it looks like a site for the uneducated.

Worse that that. The readers of this site post some really disturbing, openly racist comments.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You are funny Post again when these positive Muslim stories are consistently on the front pages

You said:

The Daily Mail, Express, etc would be reluctant to run these stories as they are at odds with their Muslim hate message.

Now you move the goalposts