Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Is there not a way freedom of movement could be slowed while negotiations take place? We're leaving anyway and I am sure the EU won't want to swamp us with migrants.

I don't know but it certainly seems ridiculous to enforce rules that no longer apply .

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by JoelTheSuperior

Some people on other forums have brought up the possibility of freedom of movement within the commonwealth (so say, with the UK, Canada and Australia) and I genuinely could see this being very appealing to the British public, especially as I imagine British people feel more of a connection with people from these countries than they do with say, Europe.

Although there are a few who would like only the rich, white part of the Commonwealth to be allowed to migrate here, I doubt this would go down well with the remaining Commonwealth countries ..

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

Why can't they just accept the democratic will of the people and get on with it?

You mean like Farage intended to do

Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Theresa May Will Not Start Brexit This Year
The High Court is told the Prime Minister does not intend to trigger Article 50 this year, as lawyers mount a Brexit challenge.

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-ma...snt-sf-twitter

l think it was pretty inevitable that Article 50 would not be triggered this year as quite a few senior government officials have been briefing it since not long after the referendum that it was highly unlikely to be triggered this year..

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by denphone

l think it was pretty inevitable that Article 50 would not be triggered this year as quite a few senior government officials have been briefing it since not long after the referendum that it was highly unlikely to be triggered this year..

It's probably a good idea to be prepared for Brexit and that will take time. It's a wise move not to invoke Article 50 given that Theresa May has publicly announced her commitment to Brexit.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Although there are a few who would like only the rich, white part of the Commonwealth to be allowed to migrate here, I doubt this would go down well with the remaining Commonwealth countries ..

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You mean like Farage intended to do

Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win

But won't that just move the immigration problem from one area to another?

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

But won't that just move the immigration problem from one area to another?

I think we have to accept that, in the modern world, Britain is a multicultural, multi-racial and multi-faith country.

In terms of immigration the only way to reduce immigration is to ensure that there are no jobs available and that the unemployed are got into work as soon as possible particularly in the NHS where we have spectacularly under-rated the numbers of staff we need to run the service.

The vast amount spent on agency nurses is undermining the NHS and it's time that the government set up its own agency and set national rates and conditions that the NHS can cope with without the massive overheads caused by the existing agencies.

Where immigrants come from does not matter provided that they have the necessary knowledge, skills, qualities and attitudes to make a positive contribution to society in numbers that we can adequately resource and provide for without having a negative impact on existing British nationals or their environment.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by ntluser

I think we have to accept that, in the modern world, Britain is a multicultural, multi-racial and multi-faith country.

In terms of immigration the only way to reduce immigration is to ensure that there are no jobs available and that the unemployed are got into work as soon as possible particularly in the NHS where we have spectacularly under-rated the numbers of staff we need to run the service.

The vast amount spent on agency nurses is undermining the NHS and it's time that the government set up its own agency and set national rates and conditions that the NHS can cope with without the massive overheads caused by the existing agencies.

Where immigrants come from does not matter provided that they have the necessary knowledge, skills, qualities and attitudes to make a positive contribution to society in numbers that we can adequately resource and provide for without having a negative impact on existing British nationals or their environment.

I heard somewhere that we are training our own Doctors and Nurses but they are few. The first batch should be ready in a year or so, so why not start more training? Eventually we will have enough to run the NHS. Not in my life time but in our Grandchildren's lifetime

The same, of course, applies to Joiners, Builders, Engineers, etc. We can do this!

Adult training is an area the UK has failed miserably in the last few decades it's often just been easy money for the company's that got the contract with no real oversight or means to ensure decent standards. I am hoping as we go forward that those areas of skills shortages are identified and the means to train people to fill those shortages are created so that we become as self sufficient as we can be. It can't be done overnight but we can make a start and if you turn round to most unemployed people and offer them the chance for proper training with a skilled job at the end of it they will jump at the chance.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

I heard somewhere that we are training our own Doctors and Nurses but they are few. The first batch should be ready in a year or so, so why not start more training? Eventually we will have enough to run the NHS. Not in my life time but in our Grandchildren's lifetime

The same, of course, applies to Joiners, Builders, Engineers, etc. We can do this!

I think that probably demonstrates how disorganised we are. The planning, monitoring, training and recruitment are years behind what they should be.

If they had been we would have had a seamless transition from old staff leaving and new staff arriving with staff levels being correctly staffed.

[nomadking]

Germany also has a problem recruiting doctors, so it's not just the UK.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Germany also has a problem recruiting doctors, so it's not just the UK.

I understand a lot of Greek medics have been heading there for that very reason. Spanish too I'd imagine.

[ntluser]

I can understand Greek medics coming here for better wages but surely German doctors are better paid than ours. Then again we have been "poaching" medical staff from the EU for years to make up for staff shortages caused by bad planning.

Bad planning is also responsible for the shortage of prisons, nuclear power stations, navy ships etc.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Osem

I understand a lot of Greek medics have been heading there for that very reason. Spanish too I'd imagine.

Apparently a lot from Eastern Europe.

From 2014

At Ivana Stankovic’s anesthesiology ward in the German countryside an hour and a half west of Frankfurt, there’s not a single native German among the youngest rank of doctors.
The 29-year-old resident works alongside other assistant doctors from India, Hungary, Egypt, Ukraine and Slovakia. They’re all part of a wave of young doctors from eastern and southern Europe that are pouring into Germany. Last year brought the third double-digit percentage increase in a row, as the number of foreign doctors practicing in Germany surged 120 percent in the past decade to more than 31,000. These young doctors are filling a critical need in Germany, where a diminishing birthrate has created a doctor shortage just as the country struggles to lure scientists and engineers from abroad.

The number of doctors in France who got their medical degrees outside the country climbed 43 percent between 2008 and 2013 to 17,835, according to the French medical board. In the U.K., which has long welcomed doctors from India and Pakistan, 37 percent of physicians got their initial degrees abroad.

[denphone]

Theresa May appears to drop migration target deadline...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...corbyn-in-pmqs

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

I heard somewhere that we are training our own Doctors and Nurses but they are few. The first batch should be ready in a year or so, so why not start more training? Eventually we will have enough to run the NHS. Not in my life time but in our Grandchildren's lifetime

The same, of course, applies to Joiners, Builders, Engineers, etc. We can do this!

See how many stay, we've always trained our own doctors but can't keep them, perhaps we could force them to stay, it is the will of the people after all