Post-Brexit Thread

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Not true really. We knew for example we were heading for free trade with the rest of the world. We knew that there would be a period of uncertainty and once we know how the talks with the EU go that the Markets and the £ will pick up again. After Christmas we should start to see a difference and hopefully by then the talks will be well underway.

You have some data and/or expert opinions based on data that indicate that after Christmas Sterling will pick up again, right?

The data and opinions I've seen point to Sterling not bottoming out until 2017.

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

We know remain wouldn't accept the result and try to delay it. They have had lawyers trying to see how legal it is and if it has to have an Act of Parliament. Actually it doesn't. As far as I know there are 2 ways of doing it. Repeal the 1972 Act that took us into the EU or a Royal intervention. However, I'm betting they'll take the Parliament rout. I expect A50 to invoked in September.

None of the contenders for Prime Minister have said they'll invoke Article 50 in September, they've all veered towards right at the end of the year at the earliest, what is your expectation based on?

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Some stuff I buy has increased in price and I'll pay it and still be happy with how I voted because I knew when I voted that there would be a short term economic hit of course at that time I didn't know our politicians had all the spine of a jellyfish and would throw the country under the bus.

Exactly who has thrown our country under the bus remains to be seen.

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I appreciate all is fine, no need for panic, etc, but I can't help but feel this isn't a promising indicator.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

It's the latest thing "those who voted leave are now regretting it" and like all the other bilge it's a load of rubbish not a single person I knew who voted leave has any regrets and would do the same again if needed. Immigration and money to the NHS were not the two biggest factors for most it was sovereignty and independence of the UK and our ability in the future to determine our own path not have it decided for us and then get informed about it.

Being honest though it was Mr K that said it and you have to take that with a largish handful of salt as he was the only person in the UK who claimed fuel stockpiling was occuring in his neck of the woods. But that's been the tale since the vote a pretty constant barrage of insults, lies and insinuations and I had hoped we'd be past it by now clearly some cannot still accept the vote.

Everyone I know personally including myself who voted leave has said they would vote remain if the referendum was redone. e.g. me and my dad voted out as a protest vote not expecting out to win, whilst others have simply changed their mind.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Couple of developments.

Firstly the Chancellor is planning a corporation tax cut to try and maintain business activity. We'll be rocking the off-shore tax haven vibe.

Stephen Crabb if elected leader would spend £100bn on infrastructure projects to try and stimulate the economy.

Both normal reactions to a slowing economy although the second of the two is surprising from a Conservative and shows I reckon just how centrist some of the modern Conservative Party is.

yeah I read about crabb a few days ago, I agree with that investment, but its odd for a tory to have that idea.

Sorry Chrysalis but if you decided to use a referendum as a protest then you have no right complaining about the vote absolutely stupid to protest vote in a referendum.

[Chrysalis]

I have the right to tell you that not everyone that voted remain would do so again, which is what my post was saying.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We cannot have any official trade negotiations until the article 50 two years is over and we are officially no longer a member of the EU, invoking article 50 is the start of the exit process it will not be the beginning of any official trade talks.

We can have exploratory talks though.

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You have some data and/or expert opinions based on data that indicate that after Christmas Sterling will pick up again, right?

The data and opinions I've seen point to Sterling not bottoming out until 2017.

Based on remains' claim that a recession would only last 2 quarters.

None of the contenders for Prime Minister have said they'll invoke Article 50 in September, they've all veered towards right at the end of the year at the earliest, what is your expectation based on?

Theresa May said it at the weekend on the News with a part of her speech on what she'd do if elected. She also said out is out and she would do her best to carry out the wishes of the people.

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Everyone I know personally including myself who voted leave has said they would vote remain if the referendum was redone. e.g. me and my dad voted out as a protest vote not expecting out to win, whilst others have simply changed their mind.

I've heard some stupid reasons for casting a vote in this referendum but that takes the biscuit. Protest vote? Protesting against what? Us who voted leave can claim that - a protest against the EU and its policies and anti-democratic ways but what exactly were you protesting about? If it was Cameron and the Tories, the Tories are still there. Cameron's days were numbered anyway.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

We can have exploratory talks though.[COLOR="Silver"]

Can we? You must of missed it when Merkel, Juncker et all have said no talks until Article 50 is triggered.....

[denphone]

Indeed that is what l heard.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Can we? You must of missed it when Merkel, Juncker et all have said no talks until Article 50 is triggered.....

@Big Brian isn't saying that informal talks can start berore A50 is triggered but that they can take place during the 2 yr exit negotiation period.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by pip08456

@Big Brian isn't saying that informal talks can start berore A50 is triggered but that they can take place during the 2 yr exit negotiation period.

His post suggests that we can have exploratory talks prior to Article 50 being triggered, we can't

Originally Posted by RizzyKing View Post
We cannot have any official trade negotiations until the article 50 two years is over and we are officially no longer a member of the EU, invoking article 50 is the start of the exit process it will not be the beginning of any official trade talks.


Brian - We can have exploratory talks though.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by pip08456

@Big Brian isn't saying that informal talks can start berore A50 is triggered but that they can take place during the 2 yr exit negotiation period.

That's correct

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Everyone I know personally including myself who voted leave has said they would vote remain if the referendum was redone. e.g. me and my dad voted out as a protest vote not expecting out to win, whilst others have simply changed their mind.[COLOR="Silver"]

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I have the right to tell you that not everyone that voted remain would do so again, which is what my post was saying.

In what world would a protest vote do anything in a referendum and what the hell where you protesting about .Do you even understand what a referendum is ?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

yeah I read about crabb a few days ago, I agree with that investment, but its odd for a tory to have that idea.

He's not the average Tory, he's a Blue Labour type Tory, one of their more liberal types that took the centre where Blair used to be.

A big infrastructure spend is an extremely good idea to try and counter the impact, both in terms of employment and economically, of the vote.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Everyone I know personally including myself who voted leave has said they would vote remain if the referendum was redone. e.g. me and my dad voted out as a protest vote not expecting out to win, whilst others have simply changed their mind.

Well done you for being honest enough to say so. I'm hearing smilar from others who voted to leave; its already become apparent it isn't going to result in what was promised. Not your fault you were lied to.

I suspect there there will be another vote in the fullness of time, especially if Theresa becomes PM. She's not stupid.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well done you for being honest enough to say so. I'm hearing smilar from others who voted to leave; its already become apparent it isn't going to result in what was promised. Not your fault you were lied to.

I suspect there there will be another vote in the fullness of time, especially if Theresa becomes PM. She's not stupid.

My cousin is a Black cab driver in London, he tells me many many Remainers wish they could vote leave. Mostly from British Muslims in London who have seen their community's over run with Eastern Europeans. I would say immigration is not a reason to leave the EU,

There may well be some who voted leave that wouldn't again but the same applies to some who voted remain who would now vote leave so swings and roundabouts not something for either side to get excited about. Given the damage done with the last referendum no politician is going to rerun it anytime soon so those hoping for another vote sorry but not going to happen.