Post-Brexit Thread

[denphone]

Originally Posted by martyh

You got "word of the day" toilet roll Den ,quite recently your wording is amazing me

l have this website that sends me words of the day Marty and if one can learn a little bit every day then that's more then l ever learnt at school.

Originally Posted by denphone

l have this website that sends me words of the day Marty and if one can learn a little bit every day then that's more then l ever learnt at school.

Cheat

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Freedom of movement reform 'on the table' for Brexit talks, suggests French minister as he breaks ranks with rest of EU

Of course. As mentioned several pages ago the French want our financial services sector.

Offer the British PM some flexibility on free movement in return for no passporting of financial services, political nightmare for a PM to deal with.

EDIT: Appreciate it's just a bunch of experts but think the stuff I copy/pasted from the EIU also stated this as the most likely course of events, incomplete single market access in return for restrictions on immigration.

[Big Brian]

Panic, What Panic? FT 100 Index up 52.0.

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Originally Posted by Chris

No Boris!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672591

Aye, guess we'll have to root for backstabbing Gover then? At least he's a Brexiter.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Of course. As mentioned several pages ago the French want our financial services sector.

Offer the British PM some flexibility on free movement in return for no passporting of financial services, political nightmare for a PM to deal with.

EDIT: Appreciate it's just a bunch of experts but think the stuff I copy/pasted from the EIU also stated this as the most likely course of events, incomplete single market access in return for restrictions on immigration.

No we need FULL immigration control.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Of course. As mentioned several pages ago the French want our financial services sector.

Offer the British PM some flexibility on free movement in return for no passporting of financial services, political nightmare for a PM to deal with.

EDIT: Appreciate it's just a bunch of experts but think the stuff I copy/pasted from the EIU also stated this as the most likely course of events, incomplete single market access in return for restrictions on immigration.

Given that many EU countries are suffering from migration problems it could be to our advantage if we call for migration limits in all EU countries, thus making freedom of movement within limits a norm for everybody and thus not a special condition just for us.

Let's remember that failing to manage our immigrants is the fault of our government and therefore something in our gift to put right. Changes of policy and strategy by the UK could do a great deal to overcome the disadvantages for British nationals created by the presence of large numbers of immigrants.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by ntluser

Given that many EU countries are suffering from migration problems it could be to our advantage if we call for migration limits in all EU countries, thus making freedom of movement within limits a norm for everybody and thus not a special condition just for us.

Let's remember that failing to manage our immigrants is the fault of our government and therefore something in our gift to put right. Changes of policy and strategy by the UK could do a great deal to overcome the disadvantages for British nationals created by the presence of large numbers of immigrants.

It can't be done if we want an Australian Points System to control immigration. We may as well stay in the damn thing.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

It can't be done if we want an Australian Points System to control immigration. We may as well stay in the damn thing.

It depends on what limits are agreed and the method used to decide who is admitted or not.

If the EU says that each EU country have to take say 100,000 immigrants but 200,000 want to come to England we can use the Australian Style points system to decide who comes.

That gives us the opportunity to find those immigrants not only of most use in our economy but also those who are financially self-supporting.

We can still use the Australian Style points system when vetting rest of the world immigrants and adjust numbers accordingly as it's not compulsory to admit them.

Then again it will depend on which candidate gets the job of PM given that quite a few have said "out is out" even Theresa May and they will be working on that premise.

If they come away with a deal that is miles better than Cameron's it will be a bonus as a Remain PM would probably have done a minor tweak to Cameron's and kept us in. At least some of these candidates are looking beyond the EU for trade deals which should give the EU something to think about.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by ntluser

It depends on what limits are agreed and the method used to decide who is admitted or not.

If the EU says that each EU country have to take say 100,000 immigrants but 200,000 want to come to England we can use the Australian Style points system to decide who comes.

That gives us the opportunity to find those immigrants not only of most use in our economy but also those who are financially self-supporting.

We can still use the Australian Style points system when vetting rest of the world immigrants and adjust numbers accordingly as it's not compulsory to admit them.

Then again it will depend on which candidate gets the job of PM given that quite a few have said "out is out" even Theresa May and they will be working on that premise.

If they come away with a deal that is miles better than Cameron's it will be a bonus as a Remain PM would probably have done a minor tweak to Cameron's and kept us in. At least some of these candidates are looking beyond the EU for trade deals which should give the EU something to think about.

Can't see them agreeing to that as it goes against full freedom of movement.

This report by Michael Burrage would suggest that the single market has been somewhat of a hindrance to UK trade when compared to the common market years .Here's a few points from the report

Exports of goods of the 12 founder members of the Single
Market to each other have been 14.6 per cent lower than they
would have been had they continued to grow exactly as they
had done under the Common Market, and are therefore
nowhere near the minister’s doubling claim

UK exports of goods to the other 11 founder members have been
22.3 per cent lower, while to other OECD countries only 10.9 per
cent lower

Exports of non-member OECD countries to the EU were just 2.05
per cent lower, and have therefore performed almost as well as
they did in the Common Market years.

Thus the UK’s exports have grown and benefited least during
the Single Market, while those of non-member OECD countries
have grown and benefited most

There is no evidence that the Single Market programme has
helped the exports of the UK or other founder member countries
to other OECD countries

http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/fi...andparadox.pdf

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by martyh

This report by Michael Burrage would suggest that the single market has been somewhat of a hindrance to UK trade when compared to the common market years .Here's a few points from the report

http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/fi...andparadox.pdf

Seen that quoted a few times. The sub-title alone should indicate it's dicey.

Our goods exports were impacted in no small part by that we were transitioning to a services based economy. Our de-industrialisation is a policy started by Thatcher and continued by every government since, accelerated by Blair, nothing to do with the EU.

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85905 is worth a look.

Regardless, though, we are where we are. Leaving something is far more damaging than never being in it and it will cost us profoundly if we can't get a deal.

It won't be the end of the world but we'll recover considerably more slowly after the upcoming recession if we can't get it sorted.

We really are in trouble......

So, browsing social media, various forums, YouTube ect I found some interesting things about the intelligent under 30 Remainers. Where do I start....

Some of the under 30 Remainers think the following things...

The EU created the NHS,
Britain tried to ban the sales of MILK but the EU made us keep selling it, I think this comes from the pints to litres thing.
You will now have to pay to travel around Europe by plane, train, ferry. They misunderstood the "free" movement of people.
Islam will be banned in Britain. Muslims were in Britian long before we joined the EU.
The EU give us free school meals.
The EU fund all university's. I suspect this is due to some EU funding being available.

It's all out there to have read, it's worrying lol.

Many younger voters were quite off in some of their beliefs but in fairness no one is ever 100% right in every view they hold and some of us older one's become very entrenched in our beliefs and find new one's hard to accept. We have to remember how we were when we were younger all the energy in the world often supporting things for daft reasons that incurred the disdain of our elders. Better to talk to them and both parties gain an understanding of things then mock and derision.

I think we the public have been tearing into each other enough for a while we need to start rebuilding bridges and repairing our society and country until we have a way forward.

[ntluser]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Many younger voters were quite off in some of their beliefs but in fairness no one is ever 100% right in every view they hold and some of us older one's become very entrenched in our beliefs and find new one's hard to accept. We have to remember how we were when we were younger all the energy in the world often supporting things for daft reasons that incurred the disdain of our elders. Better to talk to them and both parties gain an understanding of things then mock and derision.

I think we the public have been tearing into each other enough for a while we need to start rebuilding bridges and repairing our society and country until we have a way forward.

The difference is that older voters have known the EU from its inception and have seen it change over time and not in a direction they want to follow. Older voters take a more measured view.

Younger voters have only seen it and known it as it is now probably for all their lives. They did not see it as it used to be i.e just a trading area. They see the benefits for travel, low roaming charges etc. and are not really into the political dimension or the consequences of activity in this area. They see leaving the EU as losing the benefits.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by martyh

This report by Michael Burrage would suggest that the single market has been somewhat of a hindrance to UK trade when compared to the common market years .Here's a few points from the report











http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/fi...andparadox.pdf

Again I ask, do we really want the single market? I don't and I'm sure other leavers don't.

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by RBMark

We really are in trouble......

So, browsing social media, various forums, YouTube ect I found some interesting things about the intelligent under 30 Remainers. Where do I start....

Some of the under 30 Remainers think the following things...

The EU created the NHS,
Britain tried to ban the sales of MILK but the EU made us keep selling it, I think this comes from the pints to litres thing.
You will now have to pay to travel around Europe by plane, train, ferry. They misunderstood the "free" movement of people.
Islam will be banned in Britain. Muslims were in Britian long before we joined the EU.
The EU give us free school meals.
The EU fund all university's. I suspect this is due to some EU funding being available.

It's all out there to have read, it's worrying lol.

Same could be said about the over 55 and some of "their" views